Post by silver on Feb 6, 2011 17:02:47 GMT -5
Hi, loves. I thought I'd have a go at writing down the fragments that came to me not long ago, in the hopes that if (dear universe, please be 'when') they're expanded on, I'll have somewhere to record and muse on them. They're genuine scraps, mostly disjointed images that came with certain knowledge, so forgive the insane lack of detail - it annoys me, too but it's insanely long anyway!
It was the first time I'd ever tried to meditate with a specific time-frame in mind. Usually I just tried to regress past my birth, and every time the results were imagined - in one case, as I mentioned on a different site, a particular 'memory' was ripped from a documentary I'd seen a few months ago. But I'm a very stubborn person, and kept trying other ways. I found this site not long ago, through someone's PL thread on that site, and... well, something pulled at me. I had a go with some of the suggestions in Regression Techniques and, when I felt sufficiently under, guided my thoughts to this era. At first there were clips of imagined scenarios, but something completely unexpected surfaced - it resonates with parts of my current life; situations that help explain some of my irrational feelings about the period.
Please bear in mind that I know very little about this piece of history. Names, fashions, foods... there's no end to the topics I know zilch about. It was something I hated studying, an aversion I've been trying to overcome so I can begin to research what I've remembered. It seems especially strange given that many posters have mentioned an attraction to Germany, or the 30s and 40s. Anyway, if anyone can shed light on whether these make sense, I'd appreciate it.
The first thing I saw was the skirt of the dress I was wearing; pale cream, possibly white, with small black designs - either the heads of roses or another flower, or polka dots. It sat out a little, as though over a petticoat, and went down to my knees. Flesh-coloured stockings made my very pale legs look less so, and my black shoes were flat and shiny - they hurt a bit to walk in, but I liked them. I was very into fashion, unlike today - but I will admit to wearing uncomfortable shoes on a night out ;]
Someone said my name; Marlene. It wasn't pronounced "Mar-leen" or "Mar-lee-na" as I've always heard it - it was sort of... Mar-lai-neh, though the 'ai' bit was short... oh, I'm so not good with phonetics. But I knew they were talking to me and I looked up and saw him; at this point in my life, he was my fiancé. He had light brown hair with the faintest hint of red in it; cropped closely but for the crown, where it was swept to one side with some sort of... gel or mousse or something? It made his hair kind of blech to touch, but as a fashion slave I didn't mind one bit. He was so handsome; piercing blue eyes, sharp features, soft mouth. Every time I looked at him I felt like I loved him even more.
But from the look on the face, I knew I'd just said or done something to displease him. I lived in fear of doing that - he was not a man to cross. I think at this stage, he was emotionally abusive. I know that he would become physically abusive after our marriage, as the war progressed. He was wearing a uniform, though I didn't take a good look at it - I was too busy worrying that I had upset him. He told me something like, "this must be done", so I presume I had been complaining about it a moment ago. I was from an affluent background and quite spoiled; I think I was prone to b*tching quite a lot >_<
Around this point, I got another fragment of how I looked; long, black hair that waved, green eyes, a petite but pleasant figure - beautiful, which isn't at all as I'd expected as I'm... all right on a good day. But somehow the looks were a problem for us. I think we were discussing how to get married - something about looking at my ancestry? I was definitely pro-Nazi and had no fear of Jewish heritage, but at the same time, I was worried about something linked to that. He didn't think I had any either, I'm sure, as he was very anti-Semitic, so it doesn't quite make sense. All I can think of is somebody thought I might be Jewish/have such ancestry, because of my dark hair or... something. Honestly I'm not clear on why my looks led to worries about my ancestry, it seemed to annoy and worry me at the time but modern me's baffled!
This memory shifted to what felt like a later one, after we married.
Despite my middle-class background, we were living in small quarters. Here's where my memory's most likely to conflict with history - I felt like it was beside the camp he worked in, like a barracks or small series of apartments? We were in our home and it was early morning - I think I'd just cooked breakfast. I was quite a homebody, I didn't seem to have a job while I was with him. Ironically, I cannot remotely cook (gave my Home Ec teacher food poisoning in third year >>) even a little, I fail miserably at sewing, I'm lazy as heck when it comes to cleaning, and I've never wanted kids. Seeing myself taking care of a home and putting breakfast on was frankly disturbing!
He was angry at me again. I... I think he was coming home drunk, though I'm not clear. But Marlene didn't have the guts, backbone or confidence to say that to him - though I felt like he knew me better than anybody ever could, so perhaps it just showed in my behaviour. He didn't say anything, just gave me a backhand slap across the face. It didn't hurt too much - he did it almost casually, without concerted strength - but it hurt me so much emotionally. He treated me like a delicate princess in front of his comrades, and I wanted so much for him to treat me that way when we were together, like he had when he first courted me. There had always been a streak of violence in him, which - I'm disgusted to say - was part of what drew me to him. But lately it had been consuming him, to the point that he would hit me when I hadn't said a word.
In all the books I've read and the TV I've seen, the abuser usually looks on the crying wife and either becomes remorseful - the old "why did you make me hit you" routine - or more angry. He did neither. He looked at me and his handsome face was just blank. There was such indifference, outright apathy as he watched me cry. Then he turned to get his coat and leave.
The last clip I've heavily considered not including. As far as I know, it simply cannot have happened. But I know some other members have included similar memories that seem impossible, so I think I will. For all I know it's a metaphor as to how Marlene fully realised what was happening in the camp her husband worked in, or even her imagining what it was like in there based on stories. I know she had contact with SS wives (I'm fairly sure her husband was in the SS, but again, I haven't had a good look at his uniform yet, I'm always busy making him mad!) so perhaps this was a story told to her, or a nightmare... I don't know.
It took place some time in the early 40s; I think '42. I'm in the camp. I was making my way back from a particular building - an office, I think, where I'd met my husband. We were to go to some sort of party, and although I forget my dress, I was very proud of it. I had my uncomfortable shoes on again, and I was fussing because the dirt was going to mess with their shine (*sigh*). We weren't walking through buildings, but rather down one side, near a fence with barbed wire. There was a sort of ditch on our side of it, I have no idea why, and my husband walked on that side. Up ahead was a small group of prisoners. They were in ragged and horribly dirty... um, sort of pyjamas, with vertical, dark grey stripes (I knew that the clothes were striped, but I always thought they were horizontal - don't ask me why). There was no colour at all in this memory.
The first thing that struck me was how disgusting they looked. I can't even... I was such a spoiled little brat. They were sickeningly thin, with almost bald heads, encrusted with mud and some things I'd rather not think about - but instead of pity and compassion, I wrinkled my pretty little nose and wished I hadn't seen them. They were being overseen by officers and seemed to be doing something by the ditch - some sort of labour, I don't know. We altered our course to go around them, and I had my arm through my husband's as he told me not to look at them. Just as we passed them, on the camp side, one of them stood up and spoke to me.
I wish I knew what it was he said. I've wracked my brains over and over, but I have no idea - I'm not even sure it was in German, or if the guards understood it, either. I know that I wanted to keep walking and pretend he hadn't addressed me, but my husband stopped us in our tracks and left my side. He punched the man, who fell down like a ton of bricks. At last I felt some of the horror I should have felt from the start. Another guard kicked him as he lay, and the others joined in. When I began to cry, my husband turned me away and ordered me to get ahold of myself, saying that he would be punished. I simply couldn't tell him that he was missing the point - that this 'punishment' was what was upsetting me the most.
It was at this point I came out of my state and wondered what the hell that was all about. I mean, wives of the SS don't just pop by a camp for a dinner-date, right? Geh, I don't know. But it was horrible, both for me and for myself as Marlene. When she saw the man fall, completely helpless, I think she finally realised that these skeletal 'animals' were people, or that they used to be before the Nazis took them. (That's her perspective; just because they were treated like animals - worse than animals - doesn't make them any less human to me.)
That's all I've got so far. Still no mention of surnames, her husband's name, her family, the camp he worked in... but I'm glad to have what little I do, compared to the nothing I had before. Thus far, the only thing I've discovered I share with Marlene is a very strong sense of humour; I'm very much her opposite. I think that's why remembering her has eluded me for so long - my ego didn't really want to know this, no matter how much the rest of me did. Anyhow, all thoughts are welcome!
It was the first time I'd ever tried to meditate with a specific time-frame in mind. Usually I just tried to regress past my birth, and every time the results were imagined - in one case, as I mentioned on a different site, a particular 'memory' was ripped from a documentary I'd seen a few months ago. But I'm a very stubborn person, and kept trying other ways. I found this site not long ago, through someone's PL thread on that site, and... well, something pulled at me. I had a go with some of the suggestions in Regression Techniques and, when I felt sufficiently under, guided my thoughts to this era. At first there were clips of imagined scenarios, but something completely unexpected surfaced - it resonates with parts of my current life; situations that help explain some of my irrational feelings about the period.
Please bear in mind that I know very little about this piece of history. Names, fashions, foods... there's no end to the topics I know zilch about. It was something I hated studying, an aversion I've been trying to overcome so I can begin to research what I've remembered. It seems especially strange given that many posters have mentioned an attraction to Germany, or the 30s and 40s. Anyway, if anyone can shed light on whether these make sense, I'd appreciate it.
The first thing I saw was the skirt of the dress I was wearing; pale cream, possibly white, with small black designs - either the heads of roses or another flower, or polka dots. It sat out a little, as though over a petticoat, and went down to my knees. Flesh-coloured stockings made my very pale legs look less so, and my black shoes were flat and shiny - they hurt a bit to walk in, but I liked them. I was very into fashion, unlike today - but I will admit to wearing uncomfortable shoes on a night out ;]
Someone said my name; Marlene. It wasn't pronounced "Mar-leen" or "Mar-lee-na" as I've always heard it - it was sort of... Mar-lai-neh, though the 'ai' bit was short... oh, I'm so not good with phonetics. But I knew they were talking to me and I looked up and saw him; at this point in my life, he was my fiancé. He had light brown hair with the faintest hint of red in it; cropped closely but for the crown, where it was swept to one side with some sort of... gel or mousse or something? It made his hair kind of blech to touch, but as a fashion slave I didn't mind one bit. He was so handsome; piercing blue eyes, sharp features, soft mouth. Every time I looked at him I felt like I loved him even more.
But from the look on the face, I knew I'd just said or done something to displease him. I lived in fear of doing that - he was not a man to cross. I think at this stage, he was emotionally abusive. I know that he would become physically abusive after our marriage, as the war progressed. He was wearing a uniform, though I didn't take a good look at it - I was too busy worrying that I had upset him. He told me something like, "this must be done", so I presume I had been complaining about it a moment ago. I was from an affluent background and quite spoiled; I think I was prone to b*tching quite a lot >_<
Around this point, I got another fragment of how I looked; long, black hair that waved, green eyes, a petite but pleasant figure - beautiful, which isn't at all as I'd expected as I'm... all right on a good day. But somehow the looks were a problem for us. I think we were discussing how to get married - something about looking at my ancestry? I was definitely pro-Nazi and had no fear of Jewish heritage, but at the same time, I was worried about something linked to that. He didn't think I had any either, I'm sure, as he was very anti-Semitic, so it doesn't quite make sense. All I can think of is somebody thought I might be Jewish/have such ancestry, because of my dark hair or... something. Honestly I'm not clear on why my looks led to worries about my ancestry, it seemed to annoy and worry me at the time but modern me's baffled!
This memory shifted to what felt like a later one, after we married.
Despite my middle-class background, we were living in small quarters. Here's where my memory's most likely to conflict with history - I felt like it was beside the camp he worked in, like a barracks or small series of apartments? We were in our home and it was early morning - I think I'd just cooked breakfast. I was quite a homebody, I didn't seem to have a job while I was with him. Ironically, I cannot remotely cook (gave my Home Ec teacher food poisoning in third year >>) even a little, I fail miserably at sewing, I'm lazy as heck when it comes to cleaning, and I've never wanted kids. Seeing myself taking care of a home and putting breakfast on was frankly disturbing!
He was angry at me again. I... I think he was coming home drunk, though I'm not clear. But Marlene didn't have the guts, backbone or confidence to say that to him - though I felt like he knew me better than anybody ever could, so perhaps it just showed in my behaviour. He didn't say anything, just gave me a backhand slap across the face. It didn't hurt too much - he did it almost casually, without concerted strength - but it hurt me so much emotionally. He treated me like a delicate princess in front of his comrades, and I wanted so much for him to treat me that way when we were together, like he had when he first courted me. There had always been a streak of violence in him, which - I'm disgusted to say - was part of what drew me to him. But lately it had been consuming him, to the point that he would hit me when I hadn't said a word.
In all the books I've read and the TV I've seen, the abuser usually looks on the crying wife and either becomes remorseful - the old "why did you make me hit you" routine - or more angry. He did neither. He looked at me and his handsome face was just blank. There was such indifference, outright apathy as he watched me cry. Then he turned to get his coat and leave.
The last clip I've heavily considered not including. As far as I know, it simply cannot have happened. But I know some other members have included similar memories that seem impossible, so I think I will. For all I know it's a metaphor as to how Marlene fully realised what was happening in the camp her husband worked in, or even her imagining what it was like in there based on stories. I know she had contact with SS wives (I'm fairly sure her husband was in the SS, but again, I haven't had a good look at his uniform yet, I'm always busy making him mad!) so perhaps this was a story told to her, or a nightmare... I don't know.
It took place some time in the early 40s; I think '42. I'm in the camp. I was making my way back from a particular building - an office, I think, where I'd met my husband. We were to go to some sort of party, and although I forget my dress, I was very proud of it. I had my uncomfortable shoes on again, and I was fussing because the dirt was going to mess with their shine (*sigh*). We weren't walking through buildings, but rather down one side, near a fence with barbed wire. There was a sort of ditch on our side of it, I have no idea why, and my husband walked on that side. Up ahead was a small group of prisoners. They were in ragged and horribly dirty... um, sort of pyjamas, with vertical, dark grey stripes (I knew that the clothes were striped, but I always thought they were horizontal - don't ask me why). There was no colour at all in this memory.
The first thing that struck me was how disgusting they looked. I can't even... I was such a spoiled little brat. They were sickeningly thin, with almost bald heads, encrusted with mud and some things I'd rather not think about - but instead of pity and compassion, I wrinkled my pretty little nose and wished I hadn't seen them. They were being overseen by officers and seemed to be doing something by the ditch - some sort of labour, I don't know. We altered our course to go around them, and I had my arm through my husband's as he told me not to look at them. Just as we passed them, on the camp side, one of them stood up and spoke to me.
I wish I knew what it was he said. I've wracked my brains over and over, but I have no idea - I'm not even sure it was in German, or if the guards understood it, either. I know that I wanted to keep walking and pretend he hadn't addressed me, but my husband stopped us in our tracks and left my side. He punched the man, who fell down like a ton of bricks. At last I felt some of the horror I should have felt from the start. Another guard kicked him as he lay, and the others joined in. When I began to cry, my husband turned me away and ordered me to get ahold of myself, saying that he would be punished. I simply couldn't tell him that he was missing the point - that this 'punishment' was what was upsetting me the most.
It was at this point I came out of my state and wondered what the hell that was all about. I mean, wives of the SS don't just pop by a camp for a dinner-date, right? Geh, I don't know. But it was horrible, both for me and for myself as Marlene. When she saw the man fall, completely helpless, I think she finally realised that these skeletal 'animals' were people, or that they used to be before the Nazis took them. (That's her perspective; just because they were treated like animals - worse than animals - doesn't make them any less human to me.)
That's all I've got so far. Still no mention of surnames, her husband's name, her family, the camp he worked in... but I'm glad to have what little I do, compared to the nothing I had before. Thus far, the only thing I've discovered I share with Marlene is a very strong sense of humour; I'm very much her opposite. I think that's why remembering her has eluded me for so long - my ego didn't really want to know this, no matter how much the rest of me did. Anyhow, all thoughts are welcome!