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[gumby]

I had a dream last night where I saw myself as Katie and I was speaking German. I was speaking German rapidly but I could not understand much of what I was saying, as I now do not understand much German. I do remember a few of the words, I think it was es ist ein politischer Sicht.... I was talking something about the political system, how it will work for us to make change in our life. I was so very young, so I must have been talking to other BDM girls, telling them to trust the politics of our leaders, that they are looking out for our best interests. I believed in the ideology of Nazism, and felt that our lives would become improved in every regard in this new climate of change. I was about 18 years old, so this was a time where I gave full devotion to the cause.

[Demi]

Oh yeah, dreams... Could have been kept at that without the other part... should have!

All the best
Demi

[Storm]

I remember being that politically naive and idealistic, in this life! With Labour, until Tony Blair took the Leadership and took us into an illegal war killing innocents....I really empathise with that.

We cannot trust our leaders because big corporations, military industrial complex, banks and secret societies are pulling the strings. Just like they were back then. Only difference is we still have time to fight it this time around. The further a leader goes up the greasy pole the tougher it gets to not be influenced by other agendas and I think by its nature power indeed can corrupt.

It's tragic that the lives of so many, on all sides, were lost because of those ideological dreams. Some of the dreams were worthy enough, even noble. Alternative, green power generation, life on the land in harmony with nature etc, work, housing, recreation for workers, but the means and prejudice were too brutal for the human soul to bear for long. A regime like that would always have invoked its own death, especially in cultured Germany. It's just a shame so many ordinary German citizens got caught in the crossfire. That may have been somehthing Hitler considered, (being an Austrian), but it was not something most SS would have considered a price worth paying. Many, especially Waffen SS, were only fighting for the ordinary German citizen to have a chance of a dignified and prosperous life again. That Hitler disregarded his Gernerals and brought such wrath on Germany sticks in the throat of any reincarnated SS, I would imagine. It was all very well an Austrian getting fed up with the German people when the going got tough, but I bet a number of SS would have found that unacceptable.

You are lucky that you have had that dream of yourself speaking German, Gumby. I have not had that experience. I think dreams speak volumes and can give us lots of clues. It must have been tough in some ways though. Remembering how much you, as Katie, believed in it only to be let down so badly.

[Demi]

I can only comment from the point of view of my PL visons... in the end he feels such disappointment and rage about the leaders who brought the destruction about and then left everyone to deal with the mess alone. I'm talking about the front, war, etc...

And in the bigger scheme of things, it's pretty outrageous that politicians miss the understanding of a basic law of nature; if someone invades and destroys some other country or countries, that negativity is going to hit the aggressor back sooner or later.

All the best
Demi

[gumby]

Yes you are both right on, Demi and Storm. I find it difficult now in my new life as a U.S. citizen to believe that I actually supported such an evil institution as Hitler's Nazi party. It was ingrained in us BDM girls from an early age, so of course we thoght it was the correct way in all regards. When you are age 10 you absorb like a sponge all these political agenda and racial prejudice, you develop a sense of self righteousness and unwavering faith in the Nazi precepts that you've been taught. This was our "manifest destiny" to be great and to show the rest of the world that we were invincible. All of these notions of a "manifest destiny" and racial superiority never ended with the fall of the Third Reich, it continued well into our present time.

[gumby]

I believe this to be the building in Stuttgart where I was attending a BDM meeting when we were all caught in a bombing raid, as I described in my first post in this thread. Everything around this building is heavily damaged if not pulverized. The bombs rained down on our city in a barrage that we had never experienced before ( con't below photo )

and we were caught in the raid, and it was like nothing else, a searing heat from countless fires, and thick suffocating smoke that blinded us. We had to run from the building, as the bomb exploded and shook the shelter we were in so that the roof caved in, and the smoke forced us to run out of there so as to survive, up the stairs and into a lobby on fire, intense heat, so we ran into the street and laid down on our bellies. ( we laid in the street where the arrow is ) Suddenly , one of my BDM girls by my side got up and ran back towards the burning building screaming for her sister. I ran after her and pulled her back, screaming at her not to go back in. She pushed me back and tried to get away, but I forced her back to the street and pinned her to the pavement. I saved her from certain death. Suddenly the bombing stopped, and we were alive, and we had made it out of the burning building, but our lives were forever shaken, we would never be the same again. Shock, no fear, just complete shock. Some of my girls cried. We survived, but this is more like death. It was death, the end of all that we knew.

[gumby]

I had a dream a few nights ago, and I was in some city during WWII. I am not sure where, I was standing on the sidewalk of a wide street, and it is crowded with people everywhere. There is a long parade of military vehicles slowly moving down the street, tanks, trucks, calvery. Suddenly, a young girl with long blonde hair runs in front of one of the army trucks, and she kneels down in front of it. She is run over by the truck, under the truck she goes, and when the truck moves off her, she lays there flattened, dead. The crowd does not seem to care. I feel badly for the girl, and what has happened bothers me, but I can not show any emotion there. I feel as though the crowd is closing in on me, and I want to get out of there. Somehow, it feels wrong, that we have over run her homeland, and taken away her freedom. But I have to not care, I must pretend that it does not bother me. The war was not about fairness.

[Demi]

Hi Gumby,

This appears to be very symbolic. Maybe the blonde girl represents you and your true feelings at that time? Or maybe it is indeed a scene that you saw.

All the best,
Demi

[gumby]

Jun 2, 2013 13:53:26 GMT -5 Demi said:

Hi Gumby,

This appears to be very symbolic. Maybe the blonde girl represents you and your true feelings at that time? Or maybe it is indeed a scene that you saw.

All the best,
Demi

I agree Demi. I have been analyzing the dream for about a week now, and it occured to my that the girl might be me, as she looked very much like me when I was Katie. But this girl did look different in her features, not my nose especially. So I think that it was not me, but probably a girl in Austria whose family had been displaced by the Nazis. I am just guessing here, but it seems a plausible explaination considering her actions of throwing herself in front of the truck.

[gumby]

I have come to a realization that I was a victim, along with miillions of my Germany countryfolk. I hear so much how we caused the war, and we perpetuated the halocaust, and this was the unfortunate outcome of that horrible conflict and power strugle. Yes, Nazis killed millions of "undesirables" in the concentration camps, and other such atrocities and this is certainly comparable to the obliteration of Native Americans by the agression and expansion of the United States. All of this destruction of life, home, and country is difficult to comprehend on any level. Yet in the midst of all this calamity, there is the German nation, victimized by its own misguided folly, leadership, and hope for a respite from opression. I feel that the German people were also victims of this war. In the defeat of Germany, the cities were leveled and there was nothing left, innocent people were starved, trampled, pillaged, by invading armies. Women and children tortured and abused. I have heard it proclaimed that the German people got what they deserved, and that may be, yet let it be not forgotton how much pain and suffering was inflicted on all Germans after the war was lost, SO THIS IS WHY I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE THE VICTIM, NOW, and that feeling never seems to go away. I do not desire to hurt anyone, I never did. We were brainwashed, all of us young people in Nazi times, and as such we were victimized. Victimized by the state, abuse in its worse form, making evil apear to be something good and acceptable. All Germans of that time, who only wanted life, happiness, and preservation of tradition and good values, were victims. They were beaten, dragged from their homes, starved, murdered,and neglected. So many horrific things happened. Yes, we were victims of a viscious dictator and his warmongrels , and then victims of the invading armies that came to free us from this evil.

[Laurasia]

Hello Gumby.

Indeed. Which is why we on this forum are different from other such forums.....we remember & recognize that very fact. And that is why there is such healing that occurs here as well.

Everyone who was touched by the Holocaust & war, in whatever capacity, was a victim of it in some way. Even I (though Hans was a direct perpetrator of the Holocaust) was a victim of it. I was brainwashed & trained by the Nazi party, then (when orders took a much darker turn) I was compelled on pain of disgrace & death to comply. I spent the vast majority of my life forceably seperated from my family & being lied to with false promises of a better life in the end.

So yes, the ways in which all peoples were victimized by this horrific time in our history is not as cut & dried as some would like to think.

Sincerely,
Laurasia

[Demi]

it's always a grey zone...
& complicated at the simplest.

All the best,
Demi

[gumby]

Thank you very much Laurasia and Demi for this affirmation and support. That mekes me feel good to know we are on the same page on this. Everyone in the crossfire of this brutal conflict suffered so much in every way, and towards the end all Germany suffered gravely. Well there was not much left when the smoke cleared, and by then all rational Germans knew it had all been a mistake, even Hitler probably realized this as he lay in his bunker in Berlin as the Red army drove towards the capital. The nation lay in ruins. Occupational armies taking vengence on a daily basis, our soldiers starved in overcrowded pow camps in deplorable conditions, and their families taken from their homes and abused , assulted, and murdered. Many innocents paid with their lives. To the bitter end survival meant more suffering - a very dark, gloomy time.

[Demi]

Hi Gumby,

I have been looking a bit on your website with your 3 past life stories, and I want to say it is very nice with pics and you include a lot of detail... well done! How did you remember those, did you use regression or did it "come" to you?

I sometimes wondered if I should make a website too... I have about 40 computer written pages of notes on computer from Fritz' life, and just as many from a life on the Russian Empire frontier in the 19th Century, plus a bunch of historical research.

All the best,
Demi

[gumby]

It just came to me, Demi. Much of my memories came in dreams, and I connected many dreams especially in the life of Katie in Germany. I also had several visions of places and events in Germany, and I was able to locate these places in and around Stuttgart. ( eg Königsbau Passagen Stuttgart , Schloss Solitude, Hindenburgbau, Stuttgarter Hauptbahnhof, and many other places in the city )
I also had many vivid dreams of Ginny ( Virginia Chamberlain ) and some visions of that life in civil war era Louisville. I had a very vivid vision of my PL as Saline stone age girl. I felt as though I were really there! Then I had many other visions, not as long, but more like a flash here and there. for example, I had a short vision of the warriors fighting with torches in the community tent. The lake with the high perch where Mar overlooked the region came from many dreams that I had about that place. I know that I've had other past lives, but at present these are too sketchy.

You should consider a web site where you can share your material. My web site has a paranormal theme, and I added my PL memories later after I had already established it. You seem to have extensive memories as I do and with all the research you've done it would be nice to open a web site to share this information.