Bund Deutscher Mädel

[gumby]

Experiences in the BDM

I wanted to share about my memories of my past life in WWII in Germany. I have had dreams most of my life about this, and now many vivid flashbacks to that time. I have been able to connect these dreams and flashbacks and I now know a lot about this past life.

I believe that my name was Katharina, or Katie. I lived in the city of Stuttgart, and I think I was born 1925 or 1926. When I was very young we lived in some houses near the central district of Stuttgart, we rented them. When I was about 10 years old, my father made enough money that we could afford to move into a new apartment building, also near to the central district. There were many apartment buildings in this area of the city.

During the war I belonged to BDM ( Bund Deutscher Mädel ) the branch of Hitler Youth for young women. Towards the end of the war I had become a leader, and we had meetings in a rather modern looking building not far from the Rathaus ( town hall ) I was attending a meeting with several other BDM girls on a mid summer night in 1944, when the air raid sirens sounded. We had to go to a bomb shelter that was under the building, that connected to the basement. This was the worst bombing that we had ever experienced in Stuttgart, it seemed to never end, and the ground shook with each bomb blast. Then there was a blast that was even louder, it shook debris from the ceiling of the shelter. Smoke began to fill the air, and people began to cough and gag on the thick smoke. I ran up the stairs with some other girls from my BDM unit, once up in the main lobby of the building, we saw flames and more black smoke. We ran out of the burning building into the street, and we laid down in the street and covered our heads from the falling debris. I saw many cars on fire, and the hot air sucked the breath away, I felt like I was suffocating. Suddenly , one of the BDM girls by my side got up and ran back towards the burning building screaming for her sister. I ran after her and pulled her back, screaming at her not to go back in. She pushed me back and tried to get away, but I forced her back to the street and pinned her to the pavement. If the girl had succeded in running back into the burning building, she would have died.

I don't remember from my dream how I got out of the inferno in the central district, but in my next memory I am standing up near my Grandparents house, staring down at the burning city below, the sky is lit up from the flames, buildings are falling down, my city is gone forever.

I feel pain as I write this, I can't really go on right now. I do have many other memories of my past life as Katharina, I will share these later.

Has anyone else had similar experiences in Bund Deutscher Mädel ? Please let me know, I want to find others who recall the BDM. It would help me to hear from you.

[Storm]

Hey! Welcome!

I am not surprised you feel pain writing that memory, that is very intense stuff. It upsets me too. I always get the shivers watching footage of allied bombings and the devastation on German cities, even though as a British person in this life I used to feel a twinge of guilt that I was almost more concerned about the Germans than my own country. Of course finding out I was German in my past life explains why I always got upset. I was really upset when I watched the Dambusters too, although I was blown away by the aerial skills of British bomber pilots and was fascinated by the experiments they did with the bouncing bombs.

Is the BDM similar to or even connected to the League of German Girls, do you know?

Thank you for sharing and welcome again. I am pretty new myself and the realisation of my role in WWII has been horrendous but this forum has been a real God send because it enables those of us with painful memories, from all sides, to get them out of ourselves and deal with them in an environment that does not shun us. I find, particularly for those of us who were Nazis/Nazi sympathisers or part of the German military/SS, it is probably the only place where we are actually welcome.

Hope to hear more from you when/if you feel able to write more. :)x

[kapitanprien]

Hello and Welcome Gumby

Those are very intense memories - wow. When you feel comfortable, feel welcome to tell us more (there is also a Members Only section if you want to use that to do so).

Since I was in the military (U-Boats) - I have no grudge against the Allied soldiers, sailors and airmen - the politicians yes.

[gumby]

Thanks SS3 and Kapitanprien for welcoming me to this forum I look forward to posting here and for healing. I believe, SS, that the League of German Girls did develop into the BDM in the 1930's during the Nazi period.

BDM Memories

I have many memories from my past life living in Germany during WWII, all from the civilian perspective. Although the BDM was a Nazi organization geared toward forming the attitudes of young ladies towards the objectives of the third reich, we were for the most part ( I am sure that there are exceptions ) not involved in the actual fighting, but more as support for the war effort. Yes we served our führer with absolute loyality, not thinking of ourselves, but the good for the whole nation. Were we wrong? Yes. We were misguided. We were young and impressionable. The youth of Germany, en-mass. led down a dark and oppressive path of total destruction brought upon us by a mad man. But I will tell my experiences as I remember from my past life, those nightmares, flashbacks. Yes, I know, I am Katie, I am German, I lived through all of that. It is a part of who I am right now at this moment.

[Storm]

Hey gumby,

Your post is so touching to me. I have tears in my eyes.

It is the same for me. I have had nightmares and flashbacks. I gave everything to the Reich, literally. My soul is tainted with the spilled blood of innocents as a result of my loyalty to Fuhrer, Fatherland and Reich.

Feel free to share anything you need to and I personally will do anything I can to help. Being so young through all of it must have been truly awful. I died before all the destruction of our beautiful cities, but I feel real pain when I see anything about it. That Germany suffered so is truly heartbreaking to me. None of you young people were responsible. You should never have had to suffer like that. It was irresponsible and plain wrong that the youth of Germany were so decieved.

I feel bad because in my past life I helped perpetuate the myths of the glory of our Reich. I even stood up and lectured young women on your roles and duties and part in our 'glorious, golden' future. Oh, I so believed in it all. And, dying in 1942, I never saw the illusion smash into a million pieces.

One of the parts of my own journey into this is the huge weight of responsibility I feel for letting down my own people. For being such a part of the movement that ultimately led to the downfall of Germany. Seeing it all with new eyes is so hard.

Blessings and hope to talk again soon x

[mccoyxyz]

For what it's worth, I believe Hitler had hypnotic powers, though whether or not he would have consciously known so would be a matter for endless speculation.
When I was in first year university German, I discovered I had a totally unnatural talent for it, compared to everyone else in class. Not surprising at all, as all of the prosperous Polish Westjuden had at least reasonable German, and a lot had very good.
So, to the point, the hypnosis thing. They showed us old black and white films of the Nuremberg Rallies. Now at that point, I was still quite new and picking up maybe 1/4 of the words, so it definitely is not WHAT he was saying.
But I could feel a hypnotic pull, pulling me in. It took every ounce of willpower to stay in the here and now, to not actually jump up and join in the Sieg Heils. Which would have been decidedly uncool, the derision of classmates would have been the least of my worries. The prof, being a Swiss German, would have definitely been ticked, and I can't even imagine trying to explain all that to the Admin types.
Oh well, never happened, so no big deal. But still, if even an old black and white can convey the hypnotic power, it would clearly be stronger to anyone seeing him in person, were that person susceptible to hypnotic pull.
Now for your scary thought. He pulled off all this public relations magic in a day and age where all that was available were newspapers, public meetings and radio. Just imagine him living in the age of televison, how much more scope would there be for spin?

[gumby]

SS3 and mccoyxyz, your comments are very touching. I sense that you have both been there in the same place and time as I in those days of mass ralleys and general hysteria when Hitler came to power. He was magnetic, he did have a very hypnotic control over the crowds. He stirred the crowd into a frenzy, reviving feelings of national pride that had long been crushed, and a sense of a new destiny for the German peoples. mccoyxyz you are correct in the hypnotic affect Hitler had on the people.

SS3, I can really feel your pain and emotion as you described your role in the Nazi reich. Were you a BDM leader? I remember being addressed by the BDM leaders when first joined, and they were telling us about our roles and duties under the reich, and how we were to give the utmost loyality and respect to our führer. I am so sorry to learn of you death in 1942, but perhaps you were fortunate in that you did not have to endure the war's end, and see the destruction that our folly brought upon us.

[mccoyxyz]

We've now established a consensus that he had some sort of hypnotic power. We will conveniently stay out of the issue whether it was consciously known to him or whether he simply viewed it as an excess of charm or charisma compared to others in leadership positions; as who really knows what went on in his head? I mean, we the people, God of course knows.
There is a principle in law that when one is unduly within the grip of another, the legal penalties are reduced, there is diminished responsibility for the followers. Certain high profile murder cases over the years, with which I won't bore you, you know them too, have established an almost cultlike obedience existed towards the leader.
Now, given that the karmic powers that be are much more capable of looking into people's heads than are human authorities; I would rather suspect that everyone from Third Reich days is marked on a curve, on a basis of diminished legal responsibility. So, for anyone the bad karma is probably less than you would think.

In a sense I view the thing as similar to being in the wrong place and wrong time when a panhandler goes beserk. For whatever reason, he doesn't like the cut of my jib, maybe I remind him of school principal or whatever and he assaults me.
Now, assume a police car has just happened to make a right turn at that moment, so there are two unimpeachable witnesses.
Two points come out of it:
1. it's not like the cops care about me, or whatever injuries I've had, other than seeing I get an ambulance if I need one; they really only care it's the easiest conviction they'll get that month.
2. the judge may well see it differently, as this person is supposed to be on some particular medication and has been lax about it, meaning he has diminished legal responsibility for his actions. So when I read in the paper, I may feel the sentence is unnaturally light, but ultimately I have to accept that the court ordered psy review is more knowledgable than myself. If I do accept this, at least I get closure; and if I don't, I could spend the rest of my life knocking on bureaucratic doors, trying to achieve what I view as justice. Easier to just shrug and accept the authorities were at least approximately correct.
Best wishes.

[kapitanprien]

SS3: I died before all the destruction of our beautiful cities, but I feel real pain when I see anything about it.

I feel the same way - that's why I avoid much of the stuff. I also do what I can to fight against any 'myths' too - like the one about every single German knowing everything about the Holocaust (hence my one post on that).

I was never caught up in the whole 'Hypnotic Hitler' thing. The one thing I did find 'nice' about him is that he started on the lowest rung of the ladder and wound up being a leader of a country. There was no Ivy League college, none of this stuff you see in the US regarding becoming a President. It would be nice to see someone here in the US - some 'blue collar worker' with no Ivy League education become a President (but I'm not going to hold my breath).

The way I found myself in the Reichsmarine (later renamed the Kriegsmarine) was through sheer 'luck' as far as opportunities. What happened was the Niobe Disaster: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niobe_%28schooner%29

This led to the Navy opening up to the Handelsmarine (German Merchant Marine) for officers (HSO's - handelschiffoffizier). I have a page in my U-Boat Site that gives the FULL list of all that joined due to this opening up to the Handelsmarine: priens-u-boat-site.webs.com/fullhsolist.htm

The rest ...as they say... is history.

[gumby]

Thanks SS3, mcoy, and kapitanprien for sharing your information and memories from your past lives in WW II Germany. I find it fascinating to read about memories from that time, and the PL memories are especially interesting. I think that many people have them, if you think of all the people who died at that time, and the intensity of the memories. This is why, I think, so many people are able to recall this PL time. ( However, many people still do not remember, because they may have not made this connection yet, or they simply deny the memory )

PL Memories of BDM

For me it was the intensity of the bombing raids that remained in my memory, and I had dreams for years that I did not understand about explosions and fire. In my dreams I am running, screaming, as the world explodes around me. I really did not understand where these dreams came from, until about 3 years ago, and that is when I began to have very intense flashbacks to that time in WW II Germany. These flashbacks continue, and are so vivid that it is like I am actually there once again.

I will contunue with my memories from when I was involved in BDM, as I feel this organization was an important part of the Third Reich. It was the youth organiaztions where Hitler was able to flex his control over the Nation, by influencing the minds of the youth.

More Memories of BDM Service

When I was involved in BDM, we traveled around Germany to entertain the troops, we even went near the front all the way to Austria. We traveled by train, and sometimes we were so honored to be taken by military transport planes! In my dreams I remember the airplanes, they were such a marvel in those days!

My speciality in BDM was to produce puppet shows, we had a collapsable stage and I made many of the puppets. I also wrote the scripts ( of course this had to be censored ). I loved doing the puppetry, and the troops were very appreciative, it made me feel so good to be able to bring smiles to the faces of troops.

I had fallen in love with a soldier during one of my shows, and we made love in Vienna, but he had to go back to the war front. We corresponded by letter for about six months, but I lost contact with him. I found out later from his parents in Frankfurt that he had been killed at the eastern front. I was devasted by this, & only a few months after this I was caught up in the inferno in Stuttgart.

I will share more about my experiences, as I have many memories from dreams and flashbacks. I have been able to reconstruct much of my life as Katharina, but I know that still much is forgotten. I am still remembering! I would like to hear more accounts from anyone who has past life memories of WWII Germany please.

[Laurasia]

Hello Gumby.

Welcome to the forum. I am glad to see that you have decided to join us.

Thank you for sharing your memories with us. I know at least one person (Miss Bothmann) will be very excited to see the topic of the BDM being remembered by someone else as she was also a member.

If you have any questions or concerns feel free to PM either myself or our Global Moderator Msmir.

Sincerely,
Laurasia

[gumby]

Thankyou for the warm welcome, Laurasia. I am looking forward to sharing here and to have others share about their Past Life memories of the BDM. It is comforting to realize that I am not alone and there are others who have these memories. : )

[kapitanprien]

Hello Gumby,

My memories are in a blog that I keep separate from the site as I did not reincarnate via birth but through soul exchange. If you are interested in access to this blog - please PM me your email and I can add you to the permissions.

[gumby]

My Experiences in Jungmadelbund

I was ten years old when I joined the Jungmadelbund, the branch of the Hitler Youth for girls. I registered along with other girls from my grundschule that were my age. We had to go to an administration building in Stuttgart-mitte to register and to receive our membership cards and our service manuals. I was so excited on this day, I could not wait to meet the girls in my newly formed group.

My mother helped me to purchase the skirt and neckerchief that was required. I had many white blouses that I wore with my school uniform, so I was able to wear these with my JM uniform.

I knew many of the girls in my JM group, some of them attended my grundschule. We were a close knit group. We attended meetings at a 3 story modern looking buidling in Stuttgart-mitte. Here we were instructed in the Nazi doctrines and the life of Adolf Hitler. This did not last the entire time, usually after about the first hour we would discuss our plans for trips or fitness activities. We also sang songs towards the end of the meetings and socialized.

My group used the Schlossgarten park for our sports afternoon. We would line up in order and stand at attention for roll call and listen to our leader's instructions for our goals. She would start from left to right, calling each of our names, and she often would make some observation about our appearance, or about our current standing and achievements.

This picture looks very much like my JM group, some of the girls look familiar.

[Miss Bothmann]

Hello Gumby and welcome to the site,

I was also in the BDM though I do not remember nearly what you do about it..hopefully that will change in the future. I have had one dream/recollection where I was about 16 or 17. I was one of the leaders of a group of about 20-30 younger girls. It was winter in the dream..I could see the girls shivering, though they were bundled up. We were out in a courtyard in front of what looked like a large school building. It was 2 stories tall and it was brick with a bunch of tiny windows. I was wearing a long coat to my ankles, and a fur hat on my head. I was giving what I believe to be roll call before the days activities.

Also, I have had a quick vision of standing with a group of girls doing dishes..and then doing some sort of needlepoint work. These were brief flashes of when Anna was younger.

I met Hans Bothmann (the love of my life) in the Anschluss in 1938. I was 14 years old at the time, having been born in 1924.

I look forward to seeing you around the site.