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Post by whitelight on Feb 6, 2012 18:37:04 GMT -5
Hi, My english is really poor, so I will take Google translate like help. I hope you will understand me. I am not so young (46 years old) but throughout all my life I felt the fear and anxiety. My muscles are always tense and I am never fully relaxed. I'm surprised that I did not get a serious illness because of so much stress in such a long period of time. I watched countless movies about the Holocaust and read any more books. This themes draws me like a magnet. The Nazis and the Jews,but especially in Poland.As you know, hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Hungary...( I read the books about that countries too), but only Poland is really special for me. Just now I read for the third time(!!!) Chaim a Kaplan- Scroll of agony-. This is the diary that the writer wrote in the Warsaw ghetto, until his death in 1943. Before that I read the diary of Dawid Sierakowiak writed in Ghetto–Lodz. He died in 1943,too. And so on and so forth. I read books about the Nazis,too. My feelings are complicated.I abhor these mass murderers, I despise them, but at the same time I feel some sort of perverse attraction to Nazi Germany. In order to find out if I actually lived in that period, I made a regression to past lives. I saw myself like soldier in France in the 17th century (I LOVE to read the history of France, but only the fifteenth, sixteenth and seventeenth century), but nothing about the Holocaust. I think that the trauma is too strong. That my subconscious is afraid of what will be seen. For me the only solution is that someone else do it for me. Do any of you have the gift of reading other people's previous lives? I would be grateful for the slightest information. Thanks in advance.
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Post by jhwoodw on Feb 7, 2012 12:14:42 GMT -5
Hello and welcome Whightlight! I just want to say that I really understand what you are talking about as I am in a very similar situation. I also have been obsessed with the holocaust and Nazi Germany, devouring any material I come by on the subject. My interest too focuses almost solely on Poland. I also don't know if I was a victim or perpetraitor, but after research and consideration, I accept that I was probably both. Many people were. There were even some Jews that hid in Hitler's army and fought for germany! (I don't think they were in the SS though). I always felt a strange connection to the period, feeling it was more real than the life I am living now, but didn't get any information until a couple of years ago when regressions started happening on their own (Interestingly after a month long tour of Poland). I hope you can find someone to help you unlock your memories, but you may be right that they are too traumatic. Make sure you respect your soul's higher understanding of what you can consciously handle. I know in one regression (the only guided one that worked, out of dozens of attempts) I was "led" to see traumatic event and my soul straight out told me "no". Literally, over and over again all I could think, hear, see was the word "No!". So don't get frustrated, you will be given what you need (and possibly only the minimum information you need) to heal, as long as you are willing and open.
Best of luck!
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Post by whitelight on Feb 8, 2012 12:19:09 GMT -5
Thanks jhwoodw, maybe you're right. Perhaps its better not to dig through old wounds. So I would be happy just with just the basic informations about my "holocaust life". Male or female. name of the town where I lived, things like that... Whatever, I will try my luck with people who have that special gift to "reading" previous incarnations of other people,to say so. I also think it is very unlikely about a variant of the Polands Jews in Hitlers army. I've read a million books, reports, testimony, about WW2 in Poland and I have never read something like that. When we talk about Jews in Germany- allright,yes,although it has happened very,very rarely-but in Poland nix,keine. When we speak about your regresions, how they look, have you found other "lives" that have nothing to do with WW2?
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Post by jhwoodw on Feb 8, 2012 18:34:12 GMT -5
Whitelight, I apologize I think my response requires some clarification. ;-) I think it is great to pursue a deeper understanding of your PLs, including through mediums. I just meant that you shouldn't get frustrated if it takes some time or you don't get all the info you are hoping for. An open mind is the most important thing and you will only get what you can handle (Though I think many of us feel like the revelations may be too much, but ultimately it is healing and helpful).
You are correct that it was (exclusively, I think) German jews who served in the army. I agree that there is no evidence this occurred in the occupied countries, that I have found. I was using that as the most extreme example I could think of regarding those who were both victims and perps. In Poland, as with most of the conquered countries and Germany itself, there were many examples of what Primo Levi called "The Grey Zone" of culpibility and victimization. Kapos, Jews who did work for the Nazis in ghettos, camps, and Judenrats are more common examples. I think many people and especially non-jews fell within this grey zone, even if by their own feelings of guilt over the simple things, like just looking the other way. Sorry to go off on this at length, but as I mentioned, it is a confusing issue I am struggling with myself.
To answer your question about additional PLs, I have always had "inklings" or suggestions of prior PLs, but nothing as consuming or vivid as my most recent in WWII. I did go to a hypnotist for a regression and at that time I didn't get anything about WWII, but I went to a place of "nothingness", perhaps the space in between lives, for a few moments. The guided regression was a bit TOO guided and I felt yanked out of that by the therapist. After that all I wanted was to go back to that place of peace, and couldn't focus well on the rest of the regression. Frustrated, I kept getting blips of another life, I think I was a young boy under ancient roman rule. I saw my parents, but got no details whatsoever.
Hope this clears some things up. :-)
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Post by whitelight on Feb 8, 2012 20:54:59 GMT -5
jhwoodw No need for apologize, we are here to talk and exchange opinions and experiences. Well, yes about Kapos,Judenrats etc but they were not in Hitlers army , but it is a matter of definition of what we calling "Hitlers army",isnt? I never will be "frustrated if my PL reading about Holocaust fails. The life goes on, but I want to at least try. I established contact with Luna and she promised to try to obtain "information" that interest me. We shall establish visual contact through Skype and She will do her best. If she is able to understand my quasi-English, of course, there is not google translate if I talk live with her:) So you think you was a Pole who collaborated with the Nazis during WW2? In the concentration camp or in a Polish town? Have you done it out of hatred for the Jews or the economic interest? I guess you do not know the answers... Your story about Emilia is also fantastic... When we speak about additional PLs, you might be interested of my experience ( my regression). I did it only once, 20 years ago. It was a case of group therapy, and I was very nervous. This evening I have not seen anything, unlike almost all other people in the room (about 20). I was very disappointed and I felt like the black sheep of the family. But the next day when I returned to my home, I decided to try it again. I conducted all relaxation techniques and visualization, and bang, I saw myself as I run through the woods in panic. It was completely dark . I knew some people behind me are very close to get me and kill me. As I ran I was puting off the branches of trees to protect my eyes. Suddenly I came to the shore of one very,very wide river. On the other side of the river I saw a most beautiful castle I've ever seen. In the windows were shining torches or candlesticks, I dont know, but the sight was magnificent. I knew that my life is nearing its end because I was non-swimmer . The "movie" has suddenly changed, and now I was a sailor in the middle of bloody naval battles.There were horrible screams and blood was everywhere, carnage indeed. I was injured and lying on the deck. The ship was badly damaged and slowly began to sink. I knew that was the end. My last thought was-pity, to die so young...
I do not know in which countries this all happened, but I suppose it must be France. I LOVE the history of France, too, but only sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth century. I dont give a s... about Napoleon's time and leter:) Not,let say,the thirteenth or fourteenth century neither.
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Post by jhwoodw on Feb 9, 2012 14:00:43 GMT -5
Hi Whitelight,
Sorry if two versions of this response make their way to the board. I had responded and thought I hit "post" but now I don't see it, so, redoing it!
Wow, you got a lot on your other PL from one regression! When the movie changed was it still the same lifetime? Isn't it amazing in regressions how you just "know" the back story to what is happening, even if you don't get facts? I also find it facinating how it is the vivd detailed images or feelings that stick with people in a way totally unique to regressions. Like how you so clearly remember protecting your eyes from tree branches. Amazing the things that really stick in the human psyche. Are you still pursuing information on that life as well?
I, like you, also am selective in my interest in history and believe this is an indicator of possible past lives. For example, I love the republican period of Ancient Rome, but have absolutely no interest in Imperial Rome. Since I travel a lot I also use my unexplained familiarity with places I have never visited before as a sign that I may have been there in a past life. When in Krakow, Poland and also in Rome I found I did not need maps and could instinctively navigate the cities. I also picked up the languages extremely fast and just felt so comfortable and at home.
You are correct, I haven't gotten details yet on my WWII PL. All I know is I was a young Polish man and a soldier (but not sure for who). Just throwing out guesses, this is what I suspect: I was a christian Pole, but had ties to the Jewish community. I may have had friends and relatives who were jewish and may have been part Jewish, though I didn't consider myself a Jew. I probably lived in Krakow and may have ran to the east when the Nazis invaded, perhaps to Lwow. I kind of know what I looked like. I think I may have been killed by a soldier, using a bayonet to stab my abdomen. I don't think my percieved and yet mysterious act of betrayal was done out of malice or greed. I feel that whatever I did at that time was only motivated by survival. Not sure what I did yet or where, though I would not be surprised to find out I was somehow associated with a ghetto or camp, either as a kapo or doctor. BUt I may have simply escaped and felt the guilt of leaving behind others who ultimately died. Not sure. This is all I have so far. I need to post my experinces on a thread so I have it all in one place. LOL. I have been sharing in little bits and pieces in stead and I am starting to confuse even myself. ;-)
I wish you luck and success in your pursuits with Luna. I know many people have made husge strides in their discovery by connecting with others who have psychic skills. As I posted before, I had an experience where my friend just spontanteously tapped in to my PL and it was more helpful than anything I dug up on my own. Looking forward to hearing how it goes!
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Post by Laurasia on Feb 9, 2012 16:55:39 GMT -5
Hello Whitelight. Welcome to the site. I certainly hope that you enjoy your time here. If you ever have any questions or concerns feel free to PM either myself or our Global Moderator, Msmir. I wish you the best of luck on your future reading with Luna. Do be sure to let us know how it goes! ;D I would also suggest that you look into getting an astrological past life reading done by Msmir as well. The astrological signs found in your chart can offer great insights into not only your life now, but your future lives & how they correspond to one another. One thing to remember though is that you should not rely solely on what others say regarding your own past lives. You will have the best insight into your own past lives afterall. Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by whitelight on Feb 9, 2012 19:07:42 GMT -5
Laurisia: Thanks. My "reading" with Luna was canceled. She thinks that my level of english is an insurmountable barrier for something like that. She is right,maybe. How to convince mr Msmir about that astrological stuff, you are talking about? Which informations is necessary for him to do that? The exact date and place of my birth, only that? jhwoodw: Well, yes, I got a lot of my other PL when I did my only regression long time ago but still all this is scary in some way. Both of those previous lives were ended violently and I died very young. If I was a victim of the Holocaust too, hmm Its even get worse and worse in some way, I dont know what to think, really. Whatever, I still need to find out about that and I'll be happy if Msmir can help me. So You were a man in a past life and you cooperated with the Nazis in some way? If I dared to joke, it seems that all those who were Nazis or collaborators of the Nazis in a previous life must now live as female. It's the penalty:) And now to talk seriously, maybe you were Polish Jew who managed to obtain false "Aryan"documents and thus to leave the ghetto? Imagine if you left your family members and friends there to save yourself? It really makes guilty conscience. Who knows. You think you were killed by bayonet, why so? Do you have abdominal pain now, do you have scars on your stomach? You know when I was younger (20-25 years) and lived in Yugoslavia, I began to exchange letters with a girl from Poland. We met through an advertisement in a magazine for young people. After several months she invited me to visit her and her family. They lived in a small town near Krakow. I left there and when I arrived in Krakow , I experienced a sense of deja vu. That feeling is very difficult to describe, but I am sure that you understand me. It is very, very special feeling. After a few days I returned to Yugoslavia and later we broke up our correspondence. I never went to Poland again and I would love to do it at least one more time. Perhaps to visit concentration camps as well. Did you visited them?
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Post by jhwoodw on Feb 16, 2012 18:08:37 GMT -5
Whitelight, It seems people are more likely to reconnect with their past lives if they died violently. I have only ever read a few accounts of anyone remembering dying in their sleep. And it is definitely scary. You are correct that it seems a lot of the Nazi's and collaborators have come back as women. Maybe it is because women didn't go to war then, and we are just tired of war? Others have commented that this is because women were/are a marginalized part of society with more challenges than, say, a white male and that we chose this as punishment. I personally don't feel that as a woman I suffer any inequality, though I know it still happens in this time and in my country. But then, I am a very strong woman and most of my boyfriends hated that I was "more of a guy than them" in my attitudes and emotions. My friends always tease me too, about what a tomboy I am. I can be girly and feminine, but when I dress up it feels like I am wearing a costume. ;D I know exactly what you mean about Krakow. I loved it there so much, I literally did not want to leave. In fact, I would very much love to return there to teach English for a year or so, but I don't know when I may be able to fit that into my life plan. Regarding the camps: When I was 13 my mother took me to Europe for the first time and sent me on a side trip to Dachau. It didn't connect to me and I remember walking around feeling extremely depressed that it didn't "feel right". Something was missing, some connection I instinctively expected was lacking. I did visit Auschwitz while in Poland in 2009. I didn't have a strong reaction to it, in fact I felt very peaceful there. However, some odd things did occur which made me feel slightly unwelcomed. The most I have felt at a "Jewish history" site in Europe is when I accidentally stumbled into Plasow in Krakow. I had tried to go there the day before, but all the info I found said it was closed to the public and only the gate to the area could be seen. While exploring the mound and cemetery nearby I wondered down a little path and somehow found myself in the middle of the quarry that was Plasow. I can't describe the terror and urgency I felt to get out of there. I planned to go to other camps and ghettos in Poland, as I did a big loop around the country, but honestly the atmosphere was becoming so depressing I stopped after Auschwitz. I found that everywhere in Poland WWII and the atrocities of the Nazis were just in the air, even outside the camps. I also found it interesting that when I talked to Poles and told them I wanted to see the ghetto or the camp, or some other "Jewish site" they would become suddenly guarded and ask me if I was Jewish. The feeling this evoked in me was very odd, as I felt a pressure to say no (which is the truth, I am not at all Jewish in this life), but it was more of a fear response than a factual statement. At the same time another part of me would become very indignant wanting to yell "yes!" as a sort of rebellion against their judgement. My family now is part Hungarian Gypsy so it is possible I was simply empathizing with the jews due to the discrimination against both groups. In fact, I had gone to Slovakia for my friend's wedding before taking off for Poland and she had strongly advised me before leaving the US that I should not share my family's gypsy heritage with anyone in Eastern Europe. I have considered the possibility you suggested about escaping from the ghetto. I have been thinking that for awhile, but don't have anything to back it up yet. It does seem to be the most well fitted explanation for the kind of guilt, betrayal, and obligation I feel today. I think I was stabbed in the stomach with a bayonet because I had a waking regression spontaneously while walking down the street one day. All of a sudden a picture seemed to cover the reality before me and I saw a soldier lunge at me and felt with vivid clarity the injury. I have a long history of severe ulcers and I remember thinking "this is why I have ulcers" . Weird, I know.
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Post by whitelight on Feb 16, 2012 21:04:10 GMT -5
Jhwoodw You were in a lot of camps, I see. One part of me envies you and second part of me though- no way,no,no. When you speak about Plaszow, (maybe you were " Schindlers Jew"), you wroted : # I accidentally stumbled into Plasow in Krakow. I had tried to go there the day before, but all the info I found said it was closed to the public and only the gate to the area could be seen. While exploring the mound and cemetery nearby I wondered down a little path and somehow found myself in the middle of the quarry that was Plasow.# But on one website dedicated to Plaszow www.krakow-poland.com/Tourist-Attractions/Plaszow-Concentration-Camp,fgj , one other person who visited the camp, writed: #I was disappointed, nothing to see here. Nothing is marked except the large monument and a few small ones. It is now a place where people take their dogs for a walk and homeless people/drug addicts live# I find it hard to create a picture (maybe due to my bad English) of Plaszow today. If its place where people take their dogs for a walk, how then can also be "closed to the public"? It just confuses me. Whatever, everything indicates that your PL was associated just with Krakow.Maybe my PL too, and maybe then we knew each other:) If you were really killed with a bayonet, I do not think it strange that you got ulcers, not at all. Such a "coincidence" can only validate your "waking regression", I think so. I know that many of today's Poles are still anti-Semites, more or less. A few years ago, along with my wife I was in a big clothing store. We went to a clothing stores restaurant to eat something and at the table across from us sat an elderly women. We started talking and found out that she was Polish. Somehow we started talking about WW2 and Holocaust and then she began to insult the Jewish people, Goebbels-style. I was VERY,VERY angry and ready for" the conflict". Imagine, Nazi psychopaths killed who knows how many millions of Poles, Warsaw was razed to the ground,the Russians were also invaders, but she is still babbling about "horrible Jews". I told her that she should be ashamed and that I do not want to talk to people like her. Her face became red and purple... Warning! The following content may be disturbing to some members!You know, I will confess one thing for you. When I read here the testimonies of people who "remember" their previous lives as the Nazis who killed thousands of civilians, women and children, then I have a problem with my concept of justice. If this is true, for me it's horrible. I see no cosmic justice in this. I see no divine justice in this.I do not see any sense in all this... Imagine that you were a Polish Jew during WW2.For example you were married and had four children that you are loved beyond eternity. You adored your husband and parents too... Then come the beast, and they started to kill you all, but slowly. Imagine what kind of feeling is when every noise outside, every banging of outer door,every steps on the stairs, causing a heart attack of all household members. And so from day to day,to infinity. Imagine if your children in front of you die slowly of starvation.And you can not do anything Imagine you are standing with your children in a room full of strangers and wait for hot water. Instead it comes gas... Imagine what kind of death is when your lungs burst and when it takes tens of minutes to die... Then these criminals reincarnate and (some of them) write on a web forum that they were sorry... - We did the wrong things-, well, it happened, are we friends again? I have a big problem with such principle of reincarnation, if it is true. I sincerely hope, its not. Who knows, maybe just now I am breaking the rules of this forum and I will be banned. If they really were Nazis and I really was a Jewish victim, it would really be tragicomic, isnt it?
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Post by jhwoodw on Feb 17, 2012 7:38:00 GMT -5
Hey Whitelight, RE: Plasow I totally understand why you are confused. In fact, I am also confused at this point. Please remember, this was a couple years ago and I didn't document anything, so this is all just what I remember. Though the actual experience is burned in my brain, the info I read at the time didn't seem too important, so I didn't pay super close attention. I know exactly the area where the link you included is referencing. The area that is marked on the link you imbedded is a park now. I wondered around there before crossing a bridge over a highway, exploring the mound, and then wondering into "Plasow". I left the park area without fully exploring it. It appears (from some preliminary googleing) that there was "the camp" and then also "the quarry".The area I found myself in was the quarry. I think this may be a common mistake as it seems the two areas are referenced interchangeably online. I also found eyewitness accounts of the camp proper and was confused at the time of my visit in Krakow. While I was there I looked for the camp location (on the internet at the hostel) and it was somewhat ambiguous. So I started looking for tours which would take me there, and I read that the "camp" (probably referencing the quarry) was closed to the public and that customers of the tours would only see some memorials and the gate entrance. I didn't take the time to look around the quarry much, because I just wanted to get out of there. I really felt like I would get in a lot of trouble for being there, but obviously if there was a path (and debris from teenage drinking parties) the way in was not a secret. Follow this link and you will see pictures of the quarry. www.deathcamps.org/occupation/plaszow.html The Google map on this page shows the camp to the southeast of the location you supplied. The quarry I found is labeled #4 on the Google map and almost directly below the conical grass covered mound, and slightly to the left. I didn't see Goeth's house or the memorial as I was basically wondering aimlessly. I did watch a documentary upon my return which showed Goeth's house and I wondered where it may be as I didn't see it in the quarry. This site also seems to support the more southeastern location I supplied. www.krakow-info.com/plaszow.htm It does say the area of the camp may be roamed freely but that the quarry "may be dangerous to trespassers." I don't know why there is a discrepancy online as to the location, but now I really want to clarify this when I return to Krakow! I totally understand your frustration over what seems to be a lack of karmic justice. I will respond separately to that tomorrow. I tried writing a response last night and ended up with two pages of new-age psycho-babble, which isn't very helpful.
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Post by Laurasia on Feb 18, 2012 15:11:04 GMT -5
Hello Whitelight. You can contact Msmir (Msmir is a female by the way ) to ask about having a reading done by sending her a personal message (a PM) here on the forum. As for your feelings about there being no "karmic justice" in regards to us reincarnated Nazis....that is not unusual. In fact Msmir herself felt the same way before she & I started speaking with one another & she came to realize that I, as a former Nazi, do suffer karmically because of my previous actions during Hans' life. In fact, reincarnated Nazis can often suffer from the same types of past life related issues as reincarnated Holocaust victims do. To have anger, pain, resentment, & such over what happened in one's previous lifetime is certainly normal & expected. None of us are here to judge or prosecute one another anymore though, whether as persecutors or as former victims...we are here to heal. That does not mean that healing from such pain is ever easy or comfortable. None of us started out as friends with one another & some of us may never be friends, but we can converse with each other, learn from each other, & help each other to heal & work through our various issues. I think that the point of the Holocaust &, even moreso, the reason for all of us who experienced the Holocaust (whether as a victim or as a perpetrator) to reincarnate & come together is so that something of this horrific magnitude does not happen again. To be sure that the ways & the reasons that this horrific thing happened are not lost &, therefore, are not repeated. It isn't so much a matter of "what happened happened" but "what happened happened for a reason" & that reason is bigger than all of us. As for your fear that what you posted was against the forum rules.....Sharing your thoughts & feelings is certainly not against the rules of the forum, that is what we are here for afterall. So long as you do not start personally attacking members or making generalized statements against certain members strictly based on the fact that they are a reincarnated Nazi there should not be any issues. None of us are here to insult or attack anyone else. Enough of that occured in our last lifetimes. Sharing our thoughts, feelings, & concerns with one another is our way of helping each other to heal on this forum though, so it is certainly encouraged. Just be mindful of how you word yourself, just as I always tell reincarnated Nazis to be mindful of how they word themselves. Oh & please remember that if you are going to go into graphic detail about things that happened that you need to put a warning about it in your post as some people are not ready to read such details yet. (I have already placed one in your previous post for you. ) Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by Iseke on Feb 18, 2012 17:10:35 GMT -5
Then these criminals reincarnate and (some of them) write on a web forum that they were sorry... - We did the wrong things-, well, it happened, are we friends again? I have a big problem with such principle of reincarnation, if it is true. I sincerely hope, its not. Who knows, maybe just now I am breaking the rules of this forum and I will be banned. If they really were Nazis and I really was a Jewish victim, it would really be tragicomic, isnt it? I just wanted to respond to this!
I really do understand these feelings. Being able to accept those who affected us on such a negative level takes a huge amount of healing to do. And once we are ready, it is even further healing to attempt to reconnect with them on a positive level such as this forum. As a former victim, nothing has been more helpful to me than talking to those who were on the other side and hearing their perspective and their agony. That isn't to say I don't feel anger or resentment at times, but in a place like this, I feel like there is mutual respect and understanding.
Regarding justice, with reincarnation and our soul's journey we end up playing many roles, some of which are cruel and destructive. As such, while I was not a Nazi I did other cruel things in lifetimes prior. I truly believe that being cruel is much more destructive on a soul level than having cruelty done to you. If that is so, everyone carries the weight of what was done during the Holocaust and we have no choice but to help each other heal.
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Post by whitelight on Feb 18, 2012 21:25:53 GMT -5
jhwoodw: Now I understand why there was a different description of the visit to Plaszow between you and the other person. I understand also that fear that you experienced in this area, fear that a bad thing will happen... I dont need to go to Poland to experience it. I have it in me all my life.I already wrote earlier that I wonder how I stayed relatively healthy with such great amount of stress in me. God's miracle, maybe. Laurasia: I have already contacted Msmir. Maybe we'll do a reading later, not now, you know money issue and stuff like that. I understand your point when talking about reincarnated Nazis, about healing,reconciliation, and so on, but something is missing. Your starting point is that many reincarnated Nazis have anger, pain, resentment etc, just like holocaust victims. I do not believe in it, at least not for most of the Nazis. Why would someone who in a past life enjoyed killing children now have a guilty conscience because of that? The mass murderer then and gentle soul now who thinking about spiritual matters like healing, mutual respect ,learning from each other and so on. Why would Mengele now become Mother Teresa? I dont buy it. I am fully aware that all Nazis were not murderers, Kurt Gerstain was nazi too, but most of them certainly were just cold-blooded killers. Take for example Globocnik or Reinhard Heydrich, if they are reincarnated, they are the same black souls and psychopaths now. If there is no hell on the other side and if there is no karmic punishment on this side-then there is no divine justice at all. It is my opinion and dont forget, people understand the pain and fear made to others only when they experience it for yourself. Human beings are like that.Everything else is like scratching the surface but not enter into the depth. Besides that, there are cases of NDE experiences of hell. www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/visions_of_hell.htmRead for example this story: abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3359251&page=1#.T0Csf4cf7X8or this www.myusm.com/usm453162.html?t=NDEAnd many,many more, just google it. Dont forget, rencarnated killers can not know what awaits them in the future. So there is still hope for divine justice, isnt? Iseke I understand you . You writed # I was not a Nazi I did other cruel things in lifetimes prior.# Which things? Have you killed children and elderly people then, or maybe not? There is cruel things and "cruel things", you know. If you saddled one child, it is a cruel thing, If you send him and his parents to Treblinka it is cruel thing too, but on a completely different level. Or to put the thing upside down, what are your feelings towards Hitler and Goebbels and whether they should be punished in some way or not? Do you have a desire to forgive them? Even if they do not feel remorse at all? Well I havent and I will never have. I hope that they are now in a place where it is very, very hot.
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Post by Laurasia on Feb 19, 2012 13:17:17 GMT -5
Hello Whitelight.
You have very much crossed the line with that last post & have received your first disciplinary tick for it. Did I not state in my last post that you were to refrain from personally attacking any certain person with your statements? We happen to have a member who claims to be the reincarnation of Reinhard Heydrich. So you have just directly attacked them with your above post.
No one said that any of us here (former Nazi or victim alike) are "Mother Theresa's". But why do you think that those of us who remember perpetrating such heinous acts would not now feel guilt over such things? Do you honestly believe that we are murderous lunatics nowadays because of the actions that we took in our former lifetimes? I created this forum as a place of healing & reconciliations for all souls that were damaged in some from the events of the Holocaust. I also murder unarmed women & children during my lifetime in the Holocaust. It is my own grief over what I did back then which caused me to create such a place of healing. So do I sound like a murderous psychopath to you?
I also have a bit of news for you.....the vast majority of "us Nazis" did not enjoy murdering people. We were oftentimes forced into it by the manipulations & threats of others. We did feel immense remorse over the actions that we had to take in order to save ourselves & our own families. Hence the rampant alcoholism amongst the Nazis.
I'm not one to claim being a victim, but since you have so venemously expressed your belief that none of us former Nazis "pay a price" for the actions that we took I will tell you of the things I have had to deal with largely due to my lifetime as Hans. In my current lifetime I have survived a childhood of severe sexual, emotional, psychological & physical abuse. I have survived sexual assualts. I have endured being held captive against my will on more than one occasion. I live with physical, psychological, & spiritual issues largely stemming from my actions during the Holocaust. Does none of this "count" in your book?
It may also surprise you to know that we former Nazis have lived other lifetimes besides our ones in WWII. And, no, they were not lives of psychopaths or sociopaths. In fact, in one of my own former lifetimes I lived a life that was the polar opposite of Hans' life. I fought & sacrificed everything in order to save others from the grips of a murdering tyrant. So how does that add up in your book? Perhaps the two cancel each other out then, eh? No.....they do not. I am a human being just like anyone else here & I have lived & experienced many different facets of human life. I have been the victim of nurder as well as the murderer himself. Neither condemns or saves me...it makes my soul evolve.
Firstly, you are not here with reincarnated Nazis who feel no remorse. The reincarnated Nazis who are members of this forum are no longer stuck in the cycle of violence & cruelty. Do you see any anti-Semetic rhetoric on this forum? No. We have all evolved beyond such nonsense.
Secondly, making over-generalized statements such as the one above about all of us former Nazis deserving to be burning in Hell is absolutely NOT allowed on this forum & will NOT be tolerated. Plainly put if you are not here to learn & grow then you should not be a member of this forum. If it continues I will be forced to remove you from the site immediately.
Sincerely, Laurasia
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