Victim or Nazi-I need a help!

[whitelight]

Laurisia

Because you will definitely ban me after this post( I dont care at all), let me say a few (last) words.
As the first,its never scientifically proved that reincarnation exists. It was not proven in any other way,too. I believe that it exists and I believe that mu PL regression is the real stuff just like yours or others, but I have no proof for that. Nobody here has proof for that, there are many other explanations and possibilities, like its just a fantasy or we are only reading akasha chronicle, or its just memory of our guardian angels etc etc.
Second thing, its big difference between SS members and ordinary Wermaht soldiers, It is well known and proven thing.
Further, Heydrich was a mass murderer and a psychopath, as ALL historians agree about that.
What is controversial about that? Is grass green and sky blue? I just dont get it, If there is somebody claiming to be reincarnated Reinhard Heydrich, fine, but what does this have to do with me? I repeat, is an undeniable historical fact that he was a mass murderer and had all the characteristics of a psychopath. So ban me now, I dont care believe me. I can easily return to this forum through a proxy server or a fake IP address, with a new nickname, but I will not, I promise you.
If you really (no proof for that) murdered women and children in your PL,how would you call yourself, soldier or something else?
About manupulations and threats, yes ofcourse, but it is equally undeniable fact that there were many cases with SS members who refused to kill children and women and asked for a transfer to the first line of the eastern front. In the vast majority of cases their wishes were fulfilled without any consequences for them. Many historians have written about it and there are probably articles on the Internet too.
There were SS members who committed suicide too.
When I wroted #I hope that they are now in a place where it is very, very hot." I was talking about Hitler and Goebels of course not about al of former SS or Nazi. I still stand behind it (for Hitler and Goebels) and you feel free to use your moderator powers and ban me.

[msmir]

If you don't believe in reincarnation, then why are you here in the first place? This is not the place for you. And if Laurasia decides to ban you, and you start coming through other IP's to cause trouble, you will be traced quite easily and we would be forced to take action. I strongly suggest that you don't. And everything you had said is uncalled for. It is your choice if you want to stay angry and miserable. Don't spoil it for the rest of us who want to evolve.

[Laurasia]

Hello Whitelight.

You are right, you shall be banned for continuing on in this way. Though I will still address what you have written in order to be clear in why I am doing this.

Firstly, if you do not believe in reincarnation or feel that only your recollections are valid then you have no need to be a meber of such a forum. While it is true that none of us are here to "prove ourselves to each other" we are not here to judge one another or our experiences either. To start making arguments over whether or not reincarnation is an actual phenomena in a forum focused on discussing past life recollections is simply ridiculous & pointless. It should stand to reason that the membership here believes in reincarnation.

Secondly, of course there was a big difference between the Wermacht soldiers & the members of the SS/SD (like myself). But you know what....I could tell you stories about Wermacht soldiers engaging in heainous acts that would make your hair curl. War is a terrible twister of the human psyche, especially when one is constantly told that they are superior & given license to do what they will. No one, not even members of the Wermacht, were immune to such cruelty.

And no one said that Reinhard was not a murderer (including the person who has reincarnated from him). Hans became a psychotic murderer the longer he went on in the war as well. No one is disputing the grievous affects to our psyches that the Holocaust caused within us. However....no one here is meant to be shoving that fact down anyone else's throat either. It shows tremendous disrespect for the remorseful person that they have become now. Do you honestly think that those of us who perpetrated heinous acts during the Holocaust are somehow not aware of it? We suffer for our transgressions just as much as our former victims do, so why do you feel we need to be so callously reminded of how horrid & sick we were? Is that supposed to assist us in our healing processes? Excessive guilt from having been the type of men that we were back then is one of the worst issues that we former Nazis face, so how on earth do you think that it would be appropriate for you to exacerbate our guilt in such a way? It has the opposite affect on our healing processes & is not tolerated for just that reason. Do you see anywhere on this forum where any of us former Nazis are rubbing what was done to former victims in their faces? No. That is because it would be counter-productive to their healing processes.

No, I have never referred to Hans as a soldier because he never was a soldier. He was a detective, a member of the SS/SD & the Commandant of the Chelmno Death Camp. I have never claimed that he wasn't any of those things. You are right there were instances (mostly with the non-commissioned police officers that were working in the east) in which men were able to request to not have to go on participating with the shootings. I have plenty of accounts regarding such deals in my numerous books about the police details in the east at the time. I only wish that I could have been one of those men! I however was not a non-commissioned police officer. I was an officer of the SS/SD & was told that it was my life or theirs....& that was the case with the rest of the men in my unit as well. And do you really think that being offered to fight on the front lines in the east was not a threatening choice? The front line in the east was the "cannon fodder" of the army & was almost certain to result in death. Admittedly the choice that most of us made was not the courageous choice. If this were a perfect world & everyone were saints then no one would ever be able to be persuaded to take such heinous actions. However this is not a perfect world, nor are any of us saints. When faced with our own (&/or our families mortality) we chose ourselves over others. Definitely not the heroic thing to do, but also clearly not the most unexpected....as there were a great many of us who made that horrific choice. If we hadn't perhaps at least the scale of the Holocaust would not have been so great. That is our weight to bear now though &, trust me, we do.

This forum is about mutual respect for former victims & former perpetrators alike in an attempt to heal the damage that has occured. Of course, not everyone is ready yet for such interactions. There is nothing wrong with that. None of us started out comfortable with those from the other side of the war in our healing journeys. However if a member is not yet ready to display such mutual respect & interact in a healing & productive way then they should not yet be here with the rest of the membership.

Sincerely,
Laurasia