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Post by Laurasia on Nov 9, 2011 15:01:30 GMT -5
Laurasia - I just read your blog about Hans... it's fascinating and at times unsettling, especially the account of how he hanged himself and you were a disembodied soul for a while. I have to tell you that since I uncovered all this stuff, I've noticed a lot of spirits around me, most seem to be dead Nazis, still coming to terms with the repercussions of their appalling actions. There's some kind of 'decompression chamber' for them, was the impression I got, I don't know if this ties in with anything you experienced in the between life state. The fact that both you and SS3 made it back into an incarnation as well-adjusted, fair human Beings seems to me a really incredible achievement and shift for your soul to make. Heck - to even come back at all so soon after the holocaust is very brave of you, I know there are till senior Nazis out there in the ether who cannot find rest or move on, let alone return to Earth! Hi Lizzie. I'm glad that you found my blog about hans fascinating. (I am hoping to continue updating it - as well as my thread here on the forum - with more recent recollections whenever time permits me to do so.  ) As for my recollections of being disembodied after that lifetime....I can't really offer much detail for you at the moment. Once I realized what was going on with that recollection my analytical mind kicked in out of disbelief & cut the recollection short. Believe me, I wish that I would have stayed with the recollection long enough to go through that door & see what was waiting on the other side as well! LOL! Hopefully in a future session I will be able to follow my stream of consciousness through that door & see what happened to me. Sincerely, Laurasia |
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Post by gwida on Nov 13, 2011 5:23:38 GMT -5
Oh my goodness Gwida your PL sounds so tragic and oh the irony of someone like Goebbels who looked about as Aryan as Woody Allen!! What gets me so much with the Nazis is the grand scale of hypocrisy over race, I read that when it SUITED them, then OK they could overlook a tad of Jewish or Gypsy blood. I saw on Wikipedia that one of the Admirals was allegedly Jewish on his mother's side (making him Jewish by birthright) but they overlooked that fact because he was useful. How much did this happen I wonder? I don't know a huge amount about the SS, although they hold a grim fascination for me - but I know towards the end of the war they were recruiting just about any Tom Dick and Harry out of desperation. There was even a Muslim division and one comprised of freed prisoners - who were responsible for the atrocities of the Warsaw ghetto. I have to wonder what the 'old school' SS thought of this, did they regard it as a betrayal of their ideals, weren't they after all the fabled 'knights' of Germany? I bet they had their doubts about it all by then, I dunno? So, maybe they ignored your Semitic heritage at the time, I don't know, SS3 would probably know better than me:-) So looks like you were in the Waffen SS rather than the regular, have I got that right? I get the impression it was crazy at the close of the war, hangings, people fleeing and defecting, backdoor handshakes, Staufenburg et al - all sorts. You seem to have been caught up in that fervor, people were going into meltdown then, they knew the war was lost I think and it must have been the stuff of nightmares for those unfortunates on the receiving end of it all... Well, that's curious about the Oak leaves because it is one of the Nazi military honours that came with the Iron cross as far as I know. You could get the iron Cross with oak leaves, diamonds and swords as the highest military honour. I doubt very much that would have been me - I doubt I got so much as a frickin' scout badge for my bungled attempts at playing 'sailor' and worse still my hapless stint in the Luftwaffe before (if that's what happened - tell me if you get anything on that!!lol) I have wondered if my best mate was Lisi, I've mentioned it a couple of times and it does scare her. She's had some really grim dreams and has such a thing she calls 'Victorian weirdness' and we kind of joke about it, but I know Al is just trying to articulate the creepiness of old institutional buildings. When she did her art degree she took loads of photos of these really gloomy towering old mills - and I thought at the time - that looks horridly like a series of photos of the camps or something like them. Gosh its odd you getting this stuff so clearly - your name wasn't 'Willi' in your last life was it?? Only he was someone I knew, I'm just wondering if we have a shared memory or two with this:-) This is all so fascinating and helpful - much appreciated like I say:-) Yes Lizzie, it is odd that I'm getting this sort of stuff.  I don't know if I knew you... my gut instincts tell me no, so I think it could just be my own "channels" opening because of exploring my own PLs. Oh, yeah, I can't recall a single PL where I lived to any great old age, aye? I think maybe my 2nd human lifetime I lived to the longest, although it would be as young as f*ck by modern-day standards!  I'm sorry mate, but I can't give you any more impressions! I've only got the one's I received initially when I began reading your thread, so these I'll put in. OK, sending you a PM of my pathetic drawing I attempted of Lisi (dear Lord I am embarrassed by it...) I saw... 3 hyperdermic needles. Chlorine -- possibly gas at a later stage. When I mentioned chlorine and the T4 programme to my friend, she said "thyroid experimentation" (which I had absolutely no idea about at the time, it caught me off-guard). 3 injections, chlorine related death. Whether or not Lisi was killed with the gas in a gas chamber at a later stage, I don't know. I feel like when she "went", she went quickly. As for you in the Kreigsmarine, well, I got: boiler. A large, large old one. Rather rusted. Pressure release valve. Submarine. Laughter. 2 men, one with a... what's it called? bolt tightner (mwergh!) rather chubby, 20's something face. Thick black eyebrows, darker coloured eyes. Wearing a white cap. bit of stubble and straight white teeth. Well proportioned face. Talking to another man, who is bony-faced, prominent nose, thin lips  Boiler blew (you guys weren't there). Sub sank under water. Someone f*ck*d up badly, but I don't know who. It was a freak accident, as they say. I haven't gotten any impressions yet. I don't know how far off I am with how those two men looked. If I hit on target anywhere I can always try and elaborate on their features, see if that triggers anything else for ya. But I can't spoon-feed you all impressions I get, if you get my gist. |
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Post by Leutnantzursee on Nov 14, 2011 6:52:13 GMT -5
Laurasia - how did you get that recollection? Do you get stuff just like a flashback or do you have to sit and consciously concentrate or meditate? I know what you mean about the logical brain cutting things off though, even when I was doing my regression, there was this voice that kept saying ...yeah right! It's a pain in the arse in some ways, but I guess our inbuilt BS detector just doing its work!
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Post by Leutnantzursee on Nov 14, 2011 7:11:08 GMT -5
Gwida - hi again luv!
OK - no probs - if that was what you picked up just from reading this thread, I wonder what you could do sat in front of someone!!LOL Laurasia you said that Hans worked a while on T4, could you verify this at all? It sounds eerily true to me, but I don't suppose I ever knew what Lisi's fate was, this is just horrible:-( I suppose the Chlorine acted as an anesthetic and put the person to sleep before gassing them, so they wouldn't flail about in a panic? God it sends chills through me.
Again, you've tapped into something with the U-boat Gwida. When I did the regression, even though I seemed to be on a ship, I saw myself looking down as if to signify that I was going into the deep and dark, I sort of dismissed it as I thought it seemed unlikely. But having said that, I'm beginning to wonder if I didn't end up on a U-boat. The feeling of absolute abject TERROR I felt in that instant, has stayed with me. I described it to people as being not a terror from my body, and not terror as a woman feels it, hard to explain. It was like this young man knew that whatever he was transferring to on that ship, there was 50/50 chance he was going to die. It seems like in the end the sardine cans were where a lot of German men ended up and they sustained huge casualties. I always imagined I'd be an engineering bloke, I'm fascinated by old engines, and I've never known why. Incidentally when I had a PL reading a few years ago, she told me I had died in an explosion in my last life, *BANG* as she put it, and it was over very quickly. I dunno, you've given me a lot to think about, and its been an amazing help, it all kind of makes sense. I hope I can do a proper regression and find out more detail, but in the meantime, much of this resonates, though quite what order Emil did all this, I don't know. But I suspect strongly that he died at sea. Ha-ha - on a sidenote - I always hated 'we all live in a yellow submarine'!
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Post by gwida on Nov 14, 2011 19:27:22 GMT -5
*Devillish smile* I love the song "Yellow submarine". Yeah, you went with a "BANG!" -- that's exactly how I saw it. I wish you all the best on your journey; I'll just reiterate and say once more: look past that lifetime, find connections throughout lifetimes and other patterns. Like I said: this is where your bus leaves, and I feel like things are gonna really take off. All the best, don't dwell too long on any one life and remember each teaches us lessons, if only we are willing to see them. And no one is damned in my opinion either.   |
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Post by Laurasia on Nov 15, 2011 17:17:50 GMT -5
Warning! Some content may be disturbing to some readers!Hi Lizzie. Most of my recollections come up spontaneously, though I am sometimes able to deliberately get recollections through meditation as well. The recollection of being in spirit form after Hans' suicide came up spontaneously one evening. I'm afraid that I can't really offer you any details about what chemicals were used in the T-4 program. While I know that Hans was involved with the T-4 program at some point, I haven't had any clear recollections of Hans' time working in the T-4 program. I do however suspect that any work he did do in that program took place in or near Hartheim castle. Part of the reason why I believe this is because I know that has was working at Mauthuasen (which is not far from Hartheim castle) around that time. I do vaguely recall something about people being injected with something, but I have no idea of what it was. I know that potassium chloride injections were used in the T-4 program, but I don't believe I've ever seen any mention of chlorine being used to exterminate people....except for maybe as a gas? Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by gwida on Nov 16, 2011 0:06:55 GMT -5
I know that potassium chloride injections were used in the T-4 program, but I don't believe I've ever seen any mention of chlorine being used to exterminate people.... except for maybe as a gas? Sincerely, Laurasia YES!!! That's what kept popping up into my mind! (Chlorine gas). I never really knew what they would use though, but that IS what kept coming up. Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what would potassium chloride injections do with thyroid testing? My friend talked about that, but I don't know what they would use for thyroid testing... *Is confused now.* |
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Post by Leutnantzursee on Nov 16, 2011 8:50:07 GMT -5
I didn't know Chlorine came in a gas form and that it was poisonous, I wonder if anyone who died this way in a past life, has a horror of swimming pools because of the smell of chlorine? Well, yesterday ladies, I had a bit of a break through. Only a spontaneous memory - I was holding this knitted cardigan that belonged to Lisi in my hand, putting it up to my face and this knitted toy, I think it was meant to be a lamb and it was old and battered, one of those things kids keep forever. But I just sat and cried, as if I was him, it felt like such a release and I feel so much better today:-) thanks so much Gwida - and btw what you're saying about that 'bus' and my other lives - yes the bus has definitely left;-)
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Post by gwida on Nov 16, 2011 12:13:04 GMT -5
I am glad you are getting all of your hidden emotions out into the open, and remembering things -- simple memories. I dunno if they would have a fear of swimming in pools... maybe they might? Keep going Liz! |
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Post by Laurasia on Nov 22, 2011 16:00:06 GMT -5
Hi Gwida. I have no idea if potassium chloride does anything to the thyroid or is used in any sort of testing of the thyroid. I just know that it causes cardiac arrest. Hi Lizzie. Oh yes, chlorine gas is VERY deadly! I remember a hotel that I once worked at got into BIG TIME TROUBLE because something with the mechanics of the public pool was not maintain properly & it led to a huge backfiring of a chlorine gas cloud into the pool area where some families were. One of the kids had to be rushed to the hospital (which was thankfully right next door to the hotel!). It's highly noxious & BURNS! We even suffered from irritated sinuses from it even though we had been upstairs & on the other side of the hotel when it had happened. I wouldn't be surprised if someone killed by chlorine gas had serious issues with smell of it now. Even though the memory that you had was a very sad, & likely distressing, one for you I am glad that you were able to have it. Keeping such feelings locked within only serves to hurt us so it is best to get them out & deal with them. Sincerely, Laurasia |
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Post by Miss Bothmann on Jan 18, 2012 15:11:41 GMT -5
Hello Lizzie and welcome to the forum. I am glad that you have already seemed to get so much help from the members here. I do not come on very frequently at all unfortunately, but when I do it is good to see newer members sharomg woth others. I wish you well on your journey through healing. |
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Post by Leutnantzursee on Jan 18, 2012 23:57:23 GMT -5
Hi Miss Bothman - its really nice to meet you at last:-) So glad you were able to pop by and say 'hi'! I've been busy with other stuff lately myself, so have been a bit quiet too.
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Post by Miss Bothmann on Jan 23, 2012 12:31:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I try to be on whenever I can, but sometimes I guess you could say Life gets in the way. LOL
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Post by jhwoodw on Feb 2, 2012 18:11:51 GMT -5
Hi again Lizzie! Welcome! I didn’t realize you were also new! Thank you for your posts on my threads and I am sorry I haven't read yours until now. I got a bit burnt out on reading everything after researching both victim and perp sites to see where I fit and had to take a break. I was worried I may be giving my brain too much to work with and the info I might get from my PL work would be a conglomeration of the stories I read. :-)
I am so jealous you have gotten so much information and have even been able to verify some (mine is so vague at this point)! I, also, am sorry to hear about your sister and the guilt that is coming up. I know the guilt can be like a black wave or abyss and it just surrounds me at times. I know you mentioned it is causing a bit of a "crisis" and I hope you are doing okay. Though I haven't gotten anything on the level of your regressions I know for me it becomes all consuming after I get a "hit" of new info. I can't focus on anything for days and just keep obsessing about the pieces I am missing. I hope we get to chatting on here, it is always nice to meet another Anthropologist! Out of curiosity what is your specific interest in the field of archaeology? I am a physical anthropologist and this plays an interesting role in my connection to the past, as I feel drawn to working on mass graves of genocide victims. Does yours connect in anyway?
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Post by Leutnantzursee on Feb 3, 2012 11:34:38 GMT -5
Hi jhwoodw - thanks for visiting my thread, nice to speak to you again:-) Yes, you're right about the guilt and the terrors, I'm in a very bad place right now as are many of us I think, maybe we are connecting at some level as deeper opportunities for healing open up, though while going through the pain of the process it hardly seems cathartic, I'm sure you can testify to that as well! The problem I have at present is having located the present day incarnation of my little sister Lisi and having to deal with the rather tepid response I have got from him, which were he anyone else wouldn't matter. I guess I'm expecting him to get the level of recognition and recall that I do, but so often people don't, or if they do they're too afraid to explore it and walk away. Either way, it feels like an exercise in futility to pursue much in the way of a friendship with this man, and as you can imagine, bearing in mind our karma, I feel as if I'm being punished and made to feel 'abandoned' as did poor Lisi:-( There really are times I'm sure we all feel, when we wish we'd never opened Pandora's box as far as this PL stuff goes.
Well as for my archaeology (such as it is - I never made any career out of my degree) my own area of interest is in prehistoric reconstruction of ceremony. I'm a Pagan of sorts in this life and working on a healing project which does link the pain of the Holocaust to the places where such atrocities happened. I got into anthropology as an offshoot of archaeology, its often used as a means of trying to link past to present. So no, I'm not much of a physical anthropologist, though I can identify some bones and what part of the skeleton they come from! Funnily enough I used to have a phobia of bones when I was little! I don't think I could ever face having to excavate mass graves from the holocaust or any other of the Nazi's brutal regimes of murder. It would take a stronger stomach and mind than I have sadly:-(
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) As for my recollections of being disembodied after that lifetime....I can't really offer much detail for you at the moment. Once I realized what was going on with that recollection my analytical mind kicked in out of disbelief & cut the recollection short. Believe me, I wish that I would have stayed with the recollection long enough to go through that door & see what was waiting on the other side as well! LOL! Hopefully in a future session I will be able to follow my stream of consciousness through that door & see what happened to me. 
Boiler blew (you guys weren't there). Sub sank under water. Someone f*ck*d up badly, but I don't know who. It was a freak accident, as they say.
