Post by Leutnantzursee on Oct 25, 2012 21:14:45 GMT -5
Hi Demi :-)
Thanks for your interesting post and for illustrating some of your spiritual philosophy. :-) I find it very intriguing that Himmler read the Bagavad Gita, although as you say, his interest was limited and no doubt was more concerned with finding esoteric 'truths' that suited him, and of course because these came from an 'Aryan' culture, he no doubt believed there was common ground with this and the old religions of Europe before Christianity. I have always believed that Hinduism and Druidry have much in common :-)
I'm not sure myself about the idea that 'war' acts as a purgative, if it does, its roots surely lie in our collective, rather than being connected to nature per se. Natural disasters - yes, they must surely be about restoring balance, but war is instigated by people not nature. I think war is altogether something different and although conflict exists in all animal kingdoms (as the Nazis were fond of reminding us!) for humans, with our dexterity and so-called 'intelligence' we have been able to manipulate things to such an extent, we have the technology to blow this rock sky high or so to speak. Of course we might all one day be extinguished by a comet or other such cataclysm (it did it for the Dinosaurs after all) but nothing short of that would redress the balance from nature's perspective. I hope we are loved enough by higher forces, that we do not all die out, humans have great potential, but the problem is too many young souls dominate and are in positions of power, and because they operate from a central system of ego and shortsightedness, they are unable to make good decisions. That's why I don't think 'bad leaders' are down to the fault of 'the people' as the Maharishi suggests.
I like the idea that's been espoused in some 'New Age' circles, which says that after the 'shift' Earth will no longer be a teaching home for younger souls, only those who choose to enable transcendence in a 3D form will come here and create a completely new experiment in living flesh. So who knows, it will take something HUGE to create a paradise on Earth, but as things stand now that won't happen. So yes - the development of consciousness, as you point out is the only way to enable peace, but that I think, sadly it is just not possible in souls that have not matured enough to get even the basic light-bulb enlightenment moment of - hey, maybe if I hate something, its because I hate that in myself, let alone anything else! When we cease to project our fears and loathing onto others we make a huge leap in consciousness I think, and I do believe that this can only come when a number of lifetimes have been led and lessons learned in an individual soul. Without a 'critical mass' of older souls to tip the balance, then why would 'man' change the habits of many a lifetime?
Anger and other negative emotions can be a positive thing sometimes, but only in the soul that can deal with those emotions with compassion. I feel VERY angry right now and I think that's good - it enables me to get out of bed and pray for a better world. But for someone a little less loving than you or I, it becomes a festering evil that has the capacity to destroy on a grand scale. We have to remember that we exist in a third dimensional reality and that our bodies are made so that we embrace many 'animal' reactions, its how we survive in our skin. Those moments where one meets the divine within, are rare even for the spiritually minded, but for the masses - they really don't have the tools to get there and for so many reasons. The interests of those in power are to keep the masses 'dumbed down' as we hear often, keeping people in misery is what keeps the 'bad' in power, greed is their god and the love of power. My own thoughts are much on Patriarchy and maybe one time, I should post a similar topic to this with my own ideas on what peace means to me. Ultimately I don't believe until a soul has reached a level of understanding about basic morality is it able to get 'God' in its truest sense, maybe this is what the Maharishi is really trying to say? :-)
Hi Lizzie, thank you very much for your comments! (and I know it takes a little time for me to reply sometimes but I'm getting to it!)
I know the article was a bit philosophical because it directly is based on and relates to the Gita, but there are also a lot of practical examples out there on how this works.
When we talk about war as a purgative it is because we are also a part of nature As is everything! One way to look at it is that nothing happens unless the administration of nature (or higher powers) supports it. That is sometimes called 'good or bad luck'. When there is a lot of stress in society because people have been living in a disharmonious way, negative influences are not being 'stopped' and they develop (could be in the form of a bad politician) but even Hitler could not be up there if everyone around him (eg. the majority) did not resonate with his energies and accept him as their leader, whether they were aware of it or not. When we meditate those stresses that obstruct our thinking are resolved and the vibrations are heightened.
I think the best examples are from life. David Lynch Foundation is teaching TM in schools in poor black neighborhoods across the US. Those schools used to have big problems with violence, drugs and bullying. After the kids learned to meditate, the school leaders were astonished to see how the problems disappeared. I saw a movie when they have taught meditation there and the kids were saying: 'Now, I feel peaceful within, I don't need to fight or take drugs, I get much better grades'. That was just very touching.
Another time they taught TM to all the inmates and staff at a prison in Senegal. It used to be that nearly all the prisoners would come back to prison quickly upon release, hardly anyone could stay off the criminal path. After they learned to meditate, recidivism dropped so that 90% of all inmates never came back to prison again!
Another example are the 'coherence creating groups'. What they do is when there is a war somewhere, they go to the war zone, say, 200 people, and do meditation together. They do not interfere with the conflict physically. The casualties drop gradually and wars had been ended this way. The fall of the Berlin Wall happened at the same time as such a large group was created.
How can this happen? It is because the technique works on such a fundamental level of nature, that only as little as the square root of one percent of people in a society need to meditate together to create an influence in the atmosphere of harmony and orderliness that spreads into the area and influences everyone in a positive way. It can be school children, prisoners, the military, or volunteers, and whoever does it, experiences the benefits for themselves too. And then the collective consciousness is raised, people around begin to spontaneously choose the positive options and less of the negative.
As for the spiritual experiences, yes, known from enlightened poets and sages at all times, they are rare for the majority of people. But I know that this kind of experiences are an everyday phenomenon for the participants in those large coherence groups I mentioned. There is a book coming out I believe, it's going to be called 'Records of Number One experiences' or something like that... I am waiting to get to read it, as I've heard some of the experiences and to get to read it all is going to be interesting.
Oh, and patriarchy, yes! It is great you are into this topic. I used to be an editor on a ground breaking research project on gender studies, female sociology and evolution of society in relation to gender. It's very interesting stuff and something I would like to talk about some time.
Post by Leutnantzursee on Nov 8, 2012 1:19:28 GMT -5
Demi - that's fascinating about the TM trials with problem kids and prisoners, it doesn't surprise me at all! I remember watching 'Bleep' and being so intrigued by the Japanese scientist who had got people to meditate over water and others to send the water negative thoughts. The water crystalline structure of the 'positively charged' specimens were vibrant and clear, while those of the negatively charged samples were confused, muddy and chaotic. Thus demonstrating how thought can manipulate matter. You probably know the experiment I'm referring to :-) I've been reading some amazing things recently about this kind of thing, and I'm very interested. I have certainly meditated many times, but whether its 'transcendental' I don't know. I don't know how such a state is supposed to feel, if its a feeling of bliss, of melting into the oneness of love in Creation and total compassion, then yes, I have reached that state, on rare occasions. If its something beyond that, then no, I won't have experienced it. I really hope such a low statistic for tipping the balance energetically is correct, because there are a lot of people who are totally tuned out. I've been reading a very unusual and fascinating theory on a blog, about the 'Webeki' (something like that?) a native American concept about a kind of 'mind virus' that switches off our connection to the Universe. It made a lot of sense to me, and explains why so many people are switched off and unable to go beyond the projections of their egos, acting out perpetual dramas. Another article said that for all the evil that there is in the world, its matched by good. Both uplifting ideas, as are yours :-)
Demi - I would love to hear about your research project, we need more women academics bringing these things to the table :-) When I did my degree I focused a lot on gender studies, it was my main bias in the end, as I went into the theory of archaeological interpretation. Always good to talk gender politics