Brief memory trigger from grade 10 history class

[euskanoravian]

May be offensive to some


I did not yet come to face who I was in my last life until I was 19. Nonetheless, I still had some incidents occur before that which had triggered soul memories to surface. I had conveniently forgotten these memories shortly after, mind you.

For instance, when I was in grade 10 history, the topics of WWII, Hitler and Stalin were covered. From the moment my grade 10 history teacher started talking about WWII and Hitler, the term "Juden" all of a sudden, out of no where came to my mind. I know I did whisper "Juden", and quite angrily because that is how it came to me- automatic. Fortunately, none of my other classmates and the teacher had heard me. After saying it, I was stunned. I should also mention my heart rate had increased. I was so confused, upset and shocked that a term like that just came over me.

I needed to excuse myself to walk around the corridors. I did what I could to make sense of it as to why I said "Juden" right after the topic of WWII was being introduced. As hard as I tried to make sense of it, I failed. I then forgot about it, and returned to class.

Later that night, I had a dream I was standing on the streets in Vienna. There were Jews around, and I harassed them. I called out derogatory names and threw trash at them. After they successfully got away from me, I walked towards a building, and started to cry within. That was the end of that dream, and I had woken up confused and sad. Why would I dream about being mean to Jews? Why did I cry after I scared them off? All I can remember is that through out the rest of that day, I was as depressed as hell.

Nonetheless, in no time, I had forgotten about that dream. That was until sometime after I had made that discovery at 19. Thank you for allowing me to share.

Blessed Be,
Andi

[adriana]

Whoever you were in that life, you are not that person anymore. In my opinion life is about learning and experiencing, and if you were mean to Jews in that life, you don't have that attitude now, and that is all that matters. You might have been a victim in another life, it's not black and white. I believe that the sudden reaction you had (when you said Juden in the class) was a spontaneous recall from that life in a way. I feel for you, it can't be nice to know that you have been mean towards someone in a past life, but not having that attitude at all in this one. The difference is that now you are a nice person with more understanding and a conscience (is that how you spell it lol). But obviously you also had a conscience in that life, you weren't happy with calling them names. You also need to remember that it was a different time, and people were under pressure.
Btw, I had a similar experience as yours when I first learned about WW2, but I felt the opposite, I felt connection to the Jewish people and a lot of sadness.
Who do you think you were in that life, btw? Obviously nazis weren't nice to Jews, but to a certain extant some civilian people didn't like them so much. I have been reading things about Poland during WW2, and there were a lot of judgmental attitudes towards Jews.
You shouldn't feel bad about yourself over this. I really hope you don't feel that way!

[msmir]

Adriana is right, you are not that person anymore. You are here making a new start and you sound like a lovely person to me.. very brave and a good mom. If it makes you feel any better, in my Victorian life I was really mean and horribly made fun of poor people. I was certainly in a situation that included poverty in my last life LOL.

[mccoyxyz]

I can certainly one-up you in the stakes of being inappropriate in school. Bear in mind this story comes from a PL Jew, not a PL nazi.
I was in university elementary German class, where I discovered I had a natural talent. No real surprise there, all of the well to do in Poland had had good German, some with excellent German.
We were being shown an old black and white film of the Nuremberg Rally.
Now at this stage, I was probably understanding one word in four or less; so it definitely wasn't what Hitler was saying.
He had some sort of hypnotic power and I felt myself being pulled under his sway.
I was about two nanoseconds away from jumping up and joining in the Sieg Heils. This would have been entirely undesirable for three reasons:
- the prof was a Swiss German, would have been offended;
- the Admin people would have been very unamused;
- classmates would have, oh well.
Anyhow, I had just enough presence of mind to not do it; thank heavens. And since it didn't happen, it wasn't a problem.

So cheer up, don't feel embarrassed.

[Miss Bothmann]

Later that night, I had a dream I was standing on the streets in Vienna. There were Jews around, and I harassed them. I called out derogatory names and threw trash at them.

Anna did those exact same things. I think that most of us did. We were taught to blame the Jews for what was wrong with our economy, our way of life. Anna felt extreme satisfaction after treating people this way. When I get those memories now, it makes me sick to my stomach. How an otherwise very sweet, beautiful teenage girl who is full of life can lash out at other human beings that way and call them pigs among other things. But I know that I am not that way anymore. I have learned that lesson. We have all done things in our past lives that we are ashamed of. I feel extreme remorse for some of the things I have done in past lives. I just have to keep reminding myself that I am no longer that person.

[Laurasia]

Thank you for sharing with us, Andi.

Were you ever able to discover eaxctly when the recollection that you dreamt of happened? Was that perhaps Kristallnacht itself when you cried after treating the Jews so badly? I wouldn't be surprised if it was since you were killed right after Kristallnacht (or the night of, I forget which ).

And, as everyone else has said, you are not the same person who commited those crimes. Believe me, I know just how difficult it can be to convince yourself of that fact...or to even always remember it after you've realized it. I still struggle with it myself at times, so don't feel alone with those thoughts either. ~hugs~

Sincerely,
Laurasia

[euskanoravian]

Thanks for your support. It means so much to hear that from someone who really does understand. I do not believe that dream took place at Kristallnacht. I think it was some random moment I had remembered before hand. I was shot a few nights after Kristallnacht too. The date of my death, I believe was November 12. And, I find it quite interesting that my birthday is December 12. I know I was also a Scorpio in my last life, and this time I am a Sagittarius. What are your thoughts on that?

Blessed Be,
Andi

[msmir]

Hmm interesting.. 12 is the number of sacrifice (and completion as some numerologist say). However because it's a 12/3, as you know 3 is a number of creation... the 12 indicates you need to give something up in order to create something new. Think about having a baby... you want to have a baby (I know you don't personally but this is the best example I can think of) but at the same time you love your freedom. You know that if you have that baby.. you will have to give your freedom up! In order to make a creation, you need to give something up.. that is what the 12 is. As far as completion goes.. in order to create something, and old part of you basically dies. Anyway... interesting that you died on the 12th of November and born on the 12th of December. Sounds to me like you might be.. in your next life entering a new phase of your soul journey since these numbers are so important to you. Whatever your next phase is, whatever you have had to go through in this life.. you are done so you can make that leap in your soul journey in your next. However I find that so interesting that in this life you are a Sagittarius.. because if your Sun is in Sagittarius that can be a strong indicator that in your last life your freedom was held from you and in this life you are free to explore and express whatever you need without anyone getting into your way. If you were a Scorpio in your last life, you knew your soul's purpose deep down.. you had strong intuition and soul knowlege though you could not express it. You are given the opportunity in this life to express freely what you know on a soul level. You are definitely an older soul.

[Laurasia]

Yet another former Scorpio Nazi! (Hans was very much a Scorpio as well.) I know full well that the Nazi regime was not a very good place for us Scorpios. I'm a double Gemini (meaning that Gemini is both my Sun & Moon sign, in case anyone doesn't know what that term means) with a Scorpio Ascendent in this lifetime so, as MsMir has so frequently told me, I came into this life pretty much set on communicating the truth about what life was like for us former Nazis.

Sincerely,
Laurasia

[euskanoravian]

I can't be certain on this but during one of my regressions, I had a birthday gathering and the date was November 7. I would have to assume that was the day of my birthday in my last life. Nonetheless I knew I had been a Scorpio. Joseph Goebbels was a Scorpio too, and so was his wife, Magda. Look at what happened to them. Was it Joseph's idea or Magda's to kill their children? I am Libra rising with Uranus sitting on my Ascendant which makes me unusual. My Sun is in Sagittarius and my Moon is in Cancer. My moody Cancer Moon washes away my upbeat Sagittarian nature, many times.

Blessed Be,
Andi

[msmir]

Hmm okay if say you were born on November 7th, that made you a very reflective (7 is a number of reflection and gaining wisdom from experiences) Scorpio. No wonder you needed to call it quits before the war had officially broken out!! You couldn't help but keep evaluating your actions.. and I can easily see now.. after Kristallnacht how you reacted that way and how your life had ended after.. it was just way too much for you to take since you had some sensitive numbers in your birthchart on top of being a Scorpio.

Hey Laurasia, I also remember you said Hans was born 11/11/11... and that is not just Scorpionic energy.. 11 is a master number and they are highly highly intuitive... in fact whatever energy is around the 11, it takes it in.. if its positive energy, then having strong 11 energy or any master number such as 22, 33, etc.. then you could be like a true angelic healer.. but if you are around negative and evil energy which there was around, well the 11 will be affected by that too and.. well you see where that is going, you did have a conscience too, but you were way too easily affected by the energies around so it's no wonder..but like in astrology, numerology has different components in a person's lifeplan.. Hans could have been completely brainwashed more than he was with that much 11 energy... but he did have a conscience even though it may not have at all appeared that way from the outside. And by the way it was Magda's idea to kill the children, but Joseph (or did he spell his name Josef?) was also a Scorpio.. in fact his birthday was the same as my husband's which is 10/29... and the 29 is an 11 too... look how much power he had and how truly brainwashed he was!! Yep, when you put master numbers next to any kind of energy...the master numbers due to their intuitive nature and extreme sensitivity will suck up positive energies and possess angelic qualities or if destructive energy is around it... well you get the idea of that. I am Sagittarius rising, Leo Sun and Taurus Moon. I still love my fine things in life But the difference is, I don't expect it to be handed to me on a silver platter, I am always exploring ways on how to live the life that I want, hence Sagittarius rising which is excellent for networking since the work I am in requires that I appreciate the simple and little things I have and remember them everyday, even if I am having a bad day... but I also say, it's nice to enjoy the fruits of your labor, and indulge in that sometimes Why the heck not? Anyway Laurasia, I don't want to veer off topic here, I think I will create a thread in the off topic area discussing astrology and numerology What do you think??

[privatetucker]

Andi, what Adriana said is 100% right on. Right there. Also, all of this astrology stuff is really fascinating to read about, though I don't really know a lot of it.

[msmir]

I am sorry Tucker, I know. I am at fault for this because I went on about it too much in this thread where intensive astrology should not have a place in it as this area of the board is about memories... so what I did for those who want to continue speaking about astrology and anything related is I added a thread in the off-topic area..so if anyone wants to check it out, here it is
soulreconciliations.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&thread=68&page=1