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Post by Laurasia on Jan 12, 2012 13:53:49 GMT -5
Hello everyone. Well something unexpected has occured & I find myself a bit blown away by the possibilty of it. A friend has mentioned that they may be going to visit Poland, & even Chelmno itself, sometime in the future. Knowing my history with those particular places they have generously offered to take over something of a healing nature from myself with them, should they be able to go. I am obviously very thankful for the chance to do such a thing, but also very intimidated by the notion as well. Taking on such a deeply personal aspect of what happened during the Holocaust (I can't help but think of those particular as souls as "my victims") is a daunting thought to me at this point in time. I have had these particular souls come to me within this life & I was unable to face them. I have deliberately gone to them in meditation in order to facilitate healing between us, only to find that they are still absolutely terrified of me.  So I really am not sure how I would even approach such an undertaking at this point, as it is going to take some seriously deep inner working to get through. Such deep inner working that I'm not even sure that I am ready for or not. It would be great to try though. My friend has assured me that she would give me as much forewarning as possible if the trip does become a reality though. I guess that I am posting this in an effort to see if anyone can offer any advice on how they would attempt going about such a deeply personal undertaking as this.  Sincerely, Laurasia |
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Post by gwida on Jan 13, 2012 6:19:36 GMT -5
Hi Laurasia! Just double-checking: your friends may be going to Poland/Chelmo, and have asked if you would like for them to do any spiritual healing work on your behalf? Right...? If you feel intimidated by it (and I'm trying to put myself in your shoes), I dunno... first thought that comes to mind is the fear of letting go of something. Perhaps this could be because you are not quite yet ready to undertake the journey yourself, physically there? Even the thought of someone offering to help with self-healing is frightening because you are unsure what will come out of it, as you said? (Almost like a piece of yourself being taken away for a bit... that's a weird way for me to put it...) If there is something beneath the surface that is waiting to be unearthed, but you feel fear of it and somewhat disorientated about the situation, it could pay off to wait a while longer when you feel more ready to cope with anything, perhaps? You may not even have to visit the area physically this lifetime 'round, and maybe a bit of a distance is what is right at this moment. But when the time comes, if it's time to go (to Poland/surrounding areas) it's time to go, and there'll be an urge to go despite any repulsion. Sorry I couldn't be much more of help!  |
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Post by Storm on Jan 13, 2012 13:41:04 GMT -5
OMG, Laurasia, hon. I totally understand.  And, do you know, you may have answered something for me. I always wondered why the victims never come to me. I have asked many times for something. Maybe it really is the fear? OMG! That is such a horrible thought.  I will work with you every step of the way on this. Because it matters so much to me that it feels right for all concerned. Will be in touch by email/PM again soon. Much love and many blessings. x  |
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Post by Laurasia on Jan 17, 2012 15:11:19 GMT -5
Hi Gwida. The friend in question may be going to those places in the future to do healing work for those places & for the energies that are still there, & has offered to take along any personal tokens for healing &/or apologies from myself with them. In that way I would be personally helping to heal those places & energies along with them. (I would definitely NOT be physically going to those places myself. I know that I would not be able to handle that at this point in time...or even ever in this lifetime.) You actually may be correct about part of the difficulty being in the fear of losing something though. I know that there his a residual haunting of Hans' energy over there. (Even living people can sometimes leave a residual-type haunting so, even though my soul has moved onto a new incarnation, I know that there is residual energy of Hans' left over there.) Perhaps part of the difficulty for me is that, subconsciously, I am worried about what may happen if that residual energy was dissipated? Hello SS3. Oh yes (at least in my own case), that very palpable fear was all those souls had when confronted with me. It tore me up to see that I still have that affect upon them even now. Even though in the meditation (to myself at least) my form seemed to be that of my current self. It was as though, for the victims, they could see nothing but Hans when they looked at me with not even a glimmer of my current self. So I know that the terror & pain of what happened is still very real to those souls. That is very hard for me to face, & I am left wondering how on earth am I supposed to fascilitate reconciliation between myself & those souls when they are struck with blind terror & panic whenever I approach them to try beginning such healing? So that is the conscious problem that I am having right now with all of this. And, as I mentioned to Gwida, she may have hit on the subconscious issue that I am having with all of this right now.  I thank you for your offer to help me through all of this, hon. I have had others express an interest in directly helping me to fascilitate a healing connection between myself & those tormented souls as well. So I am definitely thankful for everyone's help in this colossal task. Sincerely, Laurasia |
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Post by Miss Bothmann on Jan 18, 2012 16:36:28 GMT -5
Hi hon,
As you know, we have talked about this off of the forum. You know of the one past life of mine that I would have similar issues with, If someone offered to go to "certain parts" of Asia and do this for me?? Even though that lifetime was a lot further back than Hans's life, I feel that I would have the same paralyzing fear and dread that you feel now. So, please sweetie, have no shame if you find that you are not ready. Over 2,000 years has passed for me since that life in question, and I have lived many since...but I would still have a hell of a time with it.
The best advice that I can offer you is to stay in contact with the person offering to do this. Have this person give you ample notice before they actually plan to physically go there. Then, I would suggest that you start intense periods of inner working (I can help with the chakra cleansings)..with breaks in between of course...and sessions of meditation based solely on one purpose. Forgiveness. From yourself. You need to be able to forgive yourself at least to some extent before you could expect this to have much effect on you personally. It will be painful. Yes, it will hurt like hell. But I will be right there with you to help you however I can..to hold your hand if you need me to...to have joint-meditation sessions if that is what it takes.
However, when the time comes for your friend to go there to do this for you, and you feel that you are still not ready..then do not do it. Others may disagree with this, but it is simply my opinion. Only you will know in your heart if it would be a beneficial move at this stage in your soul's growth. And, finally, if you could not go through with it..it does not make you a failure.
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Post by Laurasia on Jan 19, 2012 14:35:42 GMT -5
Hello, love. Of course I can count on you to help me in any way through whatever this may lead to. I can always count on you, which I am eternally grateful for. What Gwida has purposed has intriqued me though. I think that I really should look into whether or not a subconscious fear of "losing something" is a driving factor in the discomfort that I feel or not. And, of course, if I am not ready to fully attempt such inner working when the time comes then I will not force myself into it. I will gladly offer my assistance in the generalized healing of the area in whatever capacity I am able to at the time. If it turns out that I am not ready to assist in a very deep way at that point though, I will be sure to only do what I can. After all, I fully understand that when I push myself too much I am not the only one who is affected. I then need to rely upon you to help correct whatever I have thrown out of whack chakrically...amongst other things. Not to mention being a real bear when I throw myself out of whack! LOL! So thank you for your love & words of encouragement. And thank you for reminding me that just because I may not be ready for such an endeavor that does not mean that I am a failure. I love you, hon. Sincerely, Laurasia |
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Post by Storm on Jan 19, 2012 16:13:11 GMT -5
I think Miss Bothmann is absolutely right! And of course not being ready for certain things doesn't make you, or anyone else, a failure. You must take as much time as you need. I am perfectly certain there will be other opportunities should you not be ready this time around. When things are meant to happen, they often present themselves after all! x |
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Post by Leutnantzursee on Jan 20, 2012 1:07:13 GMT -5
Oh wow Laurasia, I hardly know what to say, what an extraordinary thing to happen, an opportunity to begin a profound healing process, arduous and frightening as it must seem to you - *hugs*:-) I can only speak in the capacity of a would-be Druidess working with lost souls and healing places that have got scars. You may need someone else to work with approaching these souls first, to try and explain to them what has happened to you and that you've moved onto another life as a much more enlightened and good person. Contrary to what 'ghost shows' would suggest, you can't just move on trapped souls in one short and half-arsed 'seance' it can takes a LOT of time and patience, going back and back to even set up a thread of communication. I agree something of this undertaking will require a lot time and love for yourself, more than anyone:-) I would suggest like Gwida, that you let your friend take a message of intent from you, you could possibly charge an item as well with your energy, so the souls can 'smell' your now 'clean' scent. Take it from there and see if anything happens and if anyone approaches you from the spirit world. Sorry if this isn't much help, I guess I'm taking the pragmatic approach and I'm not in your position. I've only ever worked on sites that are old with more intense healing work, and the little I've done with the more recently departed hasn't been on the scale of Chelmo. I'm probably not qualified to comment, but I wish you all the love in the world for such a brave undertaking, if we come to a place with a heart full of love, the spirit world responds very positively I've found, its all about the energy you bring to the place:-)
Hugs Liz x
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Post by Laurasia on Jan 22, 2012 15:07:15 GMT -5
Hello Liz. It's funny that you should mention having another person who is qualified work as a "middle-man" in connecting with the souls of my former victims on my behalf, as that is exactly what a very good friend has offered to do for me when the time comes. ;D I am finding that (whether I am ready or not) just the possibility of all this coming to pass has started something within me that sometimes takes on a mind of its' own. (As my friend has discovered via my recent "philisophical ramblings".) It's mostly in regards to the ways that all of us, as energetic parts of the Universal whole, relate to one another & even ourselves. Basically things have gotten much deeper than I had expected very quickly. LOL! I was just relaying some of my thoughts about it all to my friend &, once I started to do that, the line of thinking just kept going & getting deeper & deeper. I was rather shocked at how quickly it spiraled into such a deep discussion to be honest! So I suppose things have been set in motion already whether I had intended it or not.  And, of course, I would only approach those people & places with good intentions. After all, it seems that some very negative aspects of Hans' energy have been stuck there for quite long enough continuing to perpetrate the negativity within those places. I understand that it is my job to help release those aspects of his energy so that they will no longer be able to do so. Sincerely, Laurasia |
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Post by Miss Bothmann on Jan 23, 2012 12:54:29 GMT -5
Laurasia: Whatever you decide that you need to do I will be there for you completely.  As for the "pholosophical ramblings", I think that it is a very positive thing to happen. It is obviously meant to happen, and I have found that the more that you are forced to look at certain situations in a different more deeper way, great healing can occur. So I wish you nothing but luck on this newer aspect of your journey for I feel that only good things can come of it. |
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Post by Leutnantzursee on Jan 24, 2012 1:23:54 GMT -5
Hi Laurasia - ironic I guess if you read the post I've just written about karma, I felt immediately like it put me in a position to empathize more with you:-) Funnily enough, the person I mentioned in my post, has written about 'energy doubles' so yes, I think Hans is still about, most likely people will sense him as a 'ghost' but clearly he's just a remnant of your old life. It maybe worthwhile trying to neutralize that energy or perhaps it has to be integrated with you, though that seems scary! I know me and SS3 have discussed this concept:-) I really do feel for you hun, do keep us posted as this is so exciting and really probably is a marker for us all in helping us understand where to even BEGIN on making amends!
Hugs Liz xx
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Post by Laurasia on Jan 25, 2012 14:58:54 GMT -5
Hello Liz. Indeed I did see your post about karma & was immediately struck with the thought of "what the hell is going on right now?" This type of thing seems to be happening for a lot of us former Nazis at the moment. At least we are not alone! LOL! And yes, you seem to feel the same way that I do about exactly what part of Hans' energy has lingered over there. Others may experience it as a "ghost", but it is just a residual energy of his. I don't feel though that that energy needs to be re-integrated within myself so much. I think that it needs to be dissipated. And, unlike how it usually is the case when someone in the paranormal field is trying to dissipate a residual energy, who better to dissipate that residual energy than the person whom it originated from? I don't think that it's ever been attempted within the paranormal field though. It makes perfect sense, but exactly how to do it. And, more importantly, how to prepare oneself to do it. Those are some heavy questions to ponder....especially when one suddenly realize that they may not have gone as far in their healing journey as they have previously believed to be the case. Sincerely, Laurasia |
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Post by Leutnantzursee on Jan 27, 2012 20:01:52 GMT -5
Gosh Laurasia that is food for thought! I agree, I don't think we could integrate our PL residual energy, imagine what it would do to us, it just wouldn't be compatible with who we are now, we will have had to undergo an intense time recalibrating in the spirit world before coming back as the people we are today, with a mission to be wise and try to balance out the negative affects we had on others, by doing good this time around. To bring that darkness back to us could be catastrophic. Mind you, having said that SS3 suggested to me tonight, that I might be working on integrating my own shadow side with a lot of my stuff with Lisi, but I think that's something different to a disembodied part of a previous personality. I can't help wondering if some part of me is wondering around in the North Atlantic! One thing I learned from my PL regressions was how unique we are in each life, not to mention the little matter of being a different gender!!lol So how would these pieces all fit together? They wouldn't and we wouldn't want Emil or Hans wondering around in our subconscious that's for sure! Hon - I really am so with you on this, as I'm sure others here are, we do seem to be going through the mill together and our combined journeys at this time, can only help to shine light on the way forward. I know for Hans its going to a long journey and I daresay you won't wrap it up entirely in this life. But keep digging and keep hoping, that's what I'm doing, hard as it is right now:-(
Hugs Liz xx
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Post by Laurasia on Jan 29, 2012 15:41:24 GMT -5
Hi Lizzie.
No, indeed, one's shadow-self is not the same as what we are talking being left of Hans back in Poland! I also wondered whether or not I should deliberately try to draw his negative residual energy to me in an effort to try & get a better grasp on exactly what it is that I'm trying to deal with here. But, as you mentioned, I don't think that would be a very good idea at all. What if it decided to stick around me instead of going back to Poland afterwards?! That would definitely not be a good thing!
There is good to come out of all of this, I know that. In fact, I feel that all of this has finally given me the angle that I need to take in writing my book about Hans. I just need to figure out how to do what it is that I need to do & how to cohesively write about the whole thing.
Sincerely,
Laurasia
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Post by Demi on Sept 7, 2012 16:24:16 GMT -5
Going to Auschwitz I felt safe in the guard tower only... I didn't want to walk around in the camp out of the fear that some ghosts were going to cling to my aura... I was very scared of ghosts as a child. Concerning my experiences of possible PL I often feel I want to learn all about ww2 but not really interested about knowing anything about "my PL character", that's a paradox.
Once I had some spirits who said that died in the Holocaust contacting me and asking me if I could help them. I answered that I'd love to but do not have the ressources... I am very connected to Vedic culture because of several past lifes in Vedic India. So one thing I suggest is prayer or Vedic ceremonies for the release of troubled souls and I really wish I could afford that to help them..
When I saw they are building another monument for the victims I just was kind of outraged coz I felt like they should sponsor Vedic pandits instead and do a soul release ceremony which can in fact help them out...! I had one done for my grandfather when he passed away, that was an incredible experience for myself also. Oh and I had them done for myself to help release very difficult karmic situations.
All the best
Demi
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As for the "pholosophical ramblings", I think that it is a very positive thing to happen. It is obviously meant to happen, and I have found that the more that you are forced to look at certain situations in a different more deeper way, great healing can occur. So I wish you nothing but luck on this newer aspect of your journey for I feel that only good things can come of it. 