Soulmate Theory?

[silver]

Aloha loves,

I was just wondering how many of you believe in the concept of soulmates. I was reading up on NDEs and clicked the wrong link, but read the info anyway (damned curiosity) and it made me wonder. I've never entertained it for a moment, but then in addition to being largely cynical towards love, I was also an atheist.

I'm undecided so far. I think, based on NDEs and reincarnation stories about the between-lives state, that we do reincarnate in groups; familiar souls, of similar levels, choosing to incarnate together to help one another learn (though that's not to say that we already knew everyone we meet now, that'd be a logistical nightmare ;P). Personally, though, I don't believe a soul could split into two. Is there one specific soul whose vibration is always precisely as mine? Somebody I've lived with before and might again?

Not a clue! Could be as real as this computer, could be a romantic work of fiction, I haven't a baldy notion. What do you guys reckon?

[Storm]

I do believe in it. But, I think the potential exists for multiple soul mates. They say a twin flame is different though.

When I found my other PL, my friend and I believed he was the guy and I was the girl, because of our genders now. We did feel like soul mates and we fell in love and got engaged, and when we did split up, after my strange experience, it was like surgical removal when we first spent a night away. I really believed he was my soul mate. And he was, but only for that period of our lives. Years later when I discovered that I was the man and he was the woman I realised that we had to break up as our relationship had served its purpose.

Strangely I now wonder if you can soul braid, (see new thread of same name), to your twin flame? I have just found an article that suggests you can.

I am serioulsy thinking that this is what is happening to me. I am being seduced by RH in a strange way. It feels like seduction. You kind of want it even though it feels a bit disgusting, lol! I am so into his feelings and thoughts. He is a big German womanising brute and I love it on some levels, ha ha, but despise it on others.

So, yeh. I think people do have soul mates. and soul mates can probably be twin flames too in some circumstances. I like to think we have soul groups/families of folk we meet off and on in lifetimes. and there are those we love. Love is a vibration so if two spirits are vibrating on the same frequency, then I do not see any reason why they can't connect again in a new incarnation, if it serves both of their interests to do so.

[Iseke]

Yes.

Though to me, I define "soul mate" as a member of my soul family or group, and I know many of them, none of which are or ever were romantic.

Twin flames...are one soul, present in two bodies when they incarnate together (which happens rarely during their soul's cycle, for obvious reasons). Again, not a romance thing, but most people assume it is because twins often incarnate as sexually compatible. The idea is that the whole soul embodies the whole of a duality, and that the soul splits along lines of duality (masculine/feminine; yin/yang) in order to greater experience reality and itself.

That means that when you and your twin are incarnate together, you are one soul in two bodies, two personalities, two people. You don't have to be in the same place or know each other, either, although...twins generally incarnate at the same time for the purpose of meeting, I think.

As a theory, I'd suggest that people trust what makes sense to them based on what they've experienced. I've experienced this and so to me it is an empirical observation rather than just a theory, but I don't really understand all the particulars about it either.

It also means...if you have some kind of lifetime overlap, that might be why.

[kapitanprien]

From my experiences with the soul exchange I feel that there is validity in 'soul families'. I'm saying this because, after the soul exchange the 'spiritual essence' (and therefore the 'spiritual connections') to the friends and family of the prior soul are no longer there.

This is one of the very first things I noticed after the soul exchange - the emotional and spiritual connections were gone and these people (family and friends) no longer felt like family and friends anymore - they became the proverbial 'strangers on the street'.

I have not yet met anyone I feel any personal connection to, but I am sure that will change.

As far as the twin flame concept - I don't believe in that. I don't believe in souls splitting, but again this is only based upon my personal experiences. This isn't to say someone else HAS experienced it and it isn't real for them (if that makes sense).

I do feel there is high validity in soul fragmentation though - as I had two soul retrievals done on me. One was done all the way back in June in '08 and another done more recently. The first one that was done was also done by a walk-in soul.

[silver]

Thanks for the views :D Good to hear that you guys agree with soul families. It's made a lot of sense to me since I started reading up on NDE/reincarnation. There are two people - my mum and my best friend - who, though I have no memories of it, I'm sure I've been with before. My friend in particular. It's very hard to describe our friendship, actually, and when we we try - to others - we end up... like, pitying them for not knowing what it's like >< We went to school together but ran in different groups, years and classes; I thought she was loud and annoying, she thought I was quiet and boring ;P

Warning! This is insanely long and pointless :D

I'm a year older, so I left after fifth year and studied drama at college. Mum's health deteriorated and I had an incomplete when she was in hospital, and because it was a group performance, I had to repeat the year. The new kids were obnoxious (and turned out to be bullies) and I felt homesick on that first day - and then she ran over and hugged me, completely out of the blue, going "Oh, thank God it's you!". I asked her what she meant and she looked completely baffled, then said "...I dunno, just good to see a familiar face?" Later on, she said she saw me and knew that everything would be all right. I didn't have that lightbulb moment... then.

We always reflect on the first couple of weeks, because at that point it was like a friendship of convenience; our classmates were indescribably immature (they loved yelling out 'BOGIES!' in the middle of a class) and just unbearable, seriously. Then, one day after an especially boring lesson - Performing Arts in Context, oh hell that's not fun - the ringleader of the idiots cornered me. Well, actually she got right up in my face and her henchmen circled me. Nicole had gone next door to leave our bags in for Singing, which nobody else in the class took, and Kelly (the horriblenastysjkbdagd) started yelling at me, saying I hated this class and they wanted me to say it to their faces.

I'm usually quite strong and brave, but I'd been going through hell watching my mates in have a ball in second year, having studied almost all of the material before, having only Nicole for company, and it just made me burst into tears. That didn't deter her, and when I wouldn't "say it to their faces" she shoved me. I'd never been bullied before, and as I was already horribly upset about the situation, this was heartbreaking, so all I did was sob... loudly.

The door flies open. There's a petite blur. Kelly goes flying into two of the circle-sods. And Nicole, smaller than me at that point, and we were well smaller than Kelly, is bouncing around with her hands balled into fists calling her all the names in the world, defending me verbally and physically as well as lecturing the sods standing in the circle, ripping into Kelly with utter viciousness. To call this unexpected would be a gross understatement, I'd actually stopped crying just so I could gape. Kelly tried yelling back, but that was a massive mistake and Nicole surged forward and simply shouted her up against the blackboard.

I have no doubt that she'd have broken Kelly's nose if our Singing teacher hadn't wandered in to see why all hell'd broken loose in the next classroom. He split them up, ordered the class out of the building, and Nicole - glaring at everyone who caught her eye - put her arms around me and took me into the next room. Any Music student (most of that course took this class) who stared at the crying drama chick was treated to the same glare. She called our class bad names under her breath and just cuddled me. Eventually she informed the teacher, mid-song, that we were going out for a smoke, and simply got up and took me out.

When I was a bit calmer and had nobody goggling at me, I told her that she'd just made herself a leper in the class; a fellow target. She said, "I know. So? They're ****s, I don't care." And it was true; we ended up dropping out of the class because they'd refuse to have us in their groups for practical work, and made life as difficult as possible. One night, during a reminiscing session, she mentioned that when she'd heard the sobs from the hallway she'd known who it was, without knowing how. And she doesn't really remember rushing inside and shoving Kelly so hard two people had to hold her up; just that she could see and hear me crying, and wanted to throw them off a building. Given that we were friends-of-convenience, she was as completely surprised as I was!

As soon as she'd run in and defended this kinda-friend with the price of being bullied for up to two years, I'd just... known something. I hadn't thought she was crazy, or overly-attached to someone she hardly knew, which would be my natural reaction; I'd thought oh, thank God it's her. I had the same feeling that everything was going to be all right now. And that was pretty much that; eight years later, we're still best friends. She's moved a few hours away, with plans to emigrate to Australia, but it doesn't change anything. Even when we make very close friends in the other's absence, we know who our best friend is. Boyfriends and girlfriends get a little jealous of that, so we've called it the Nicole (or Silver) Litmus Test - if they can hang out with our friend, not get possessive when we involuntarily leave them out, then they're keepers ;P

I wouldn't say she's my soulmate in the traditional sense, but there's a really familiar feeling of comfort and recognition with one another. We can say anything, our worst secrets, and the other would never change their opinion. Even after our very worst fight, despite still thinking we were right and the other was wrong, we passed one another in a pub one night and immediately, upon seeing the other's face, rushed over and hugged. We ditched our dates (...we did it nicely) and went to our usual haunt to spend the night chatting and repeatedly telling each other how much we missed them.

This probably sounds creepy, but when we went to London for her 18th, we were giggling like mad in a phone box (you had to be there for the joke to be funny) and she suddenly sobered, looked me in the eye, and said, "If you die, would you really hate me if I killed myself?" I went to say yes, but when I imagined life without her - knowing that she wasn't halfway around the world near a computer and a phone - I found myself saying, "No, that'd be hypocritical." Then we laughed about how 'normal people' would want to cart us to the loonybin if they heard a fraction of the things we say ;P

Okay, well, that turned into its own giant tangent. So yes; I always thought soul families made good sense, and I think it's true based on the connections I've formed. Since I've no experience with soul-splitting or fragmenting, I don't believe in them (which is not to say they're untrue) so while the theory is sound... *shrug!*

[Storm]

It's nice to have soul mate friendships! Happy for you and your friend that you have got that connection, Silver. I am also lucky in that many of my friends and family are those I have known before in various forms. And we all recognise it too. It does mean one can truly be oneself with people and that is true friendship.

[silver]

Thanks, so are we :D I think we were supposed to form a connection when we did, and not before; I went through school with a few friends who I got along with in school, and a few I'd hang out with afterwards - but they weren't real friends, and I was hurt a lot. Funnily enough, Nicole was the type to do the hurting! She inevitably developed crushes on her mates' boyfriends, resulting in epic drama, and was prone to gossip, so her friends didn't trust her. I think being brought together when we did was excellent, because as we developed an incredibly solid friendship, we were able to learn from the mistakes we'd made before we connected.

It's pretty cheesy, but when we finish an e-mail conversation, we end it with the quote "If you should die before me, ask if you can bring a friend." ;]

[Iseke]

I love that story about you and Nicole! I've always found deep friendships so much more romantic, in a sense, then romantic ones. What an awesome situation that was, and you'll carry that friendship far beyond your lifetime!

The truth is, we incarnate with a large portion of souls we have incarnated with before, I think. I've had deep and close relationships with people who turned out not to be soul mates or members of my soul family (though, some people define "soul mate" as any person you have ever had a live with before, ever, so in that case....we would have a lot of soul mates). I've found that you can't always tell, but that usually with soul mates you have a strong bond regardless of the situation of how you know each other. Other reasons for having a strong bond with someone could be that you incarnated into a very intimate position with them in past lives. It is surprising how much of a bond you will feel to someone who is a past life mother of yours, even if now they are just a grocer checking you out at the store!

Again, this is all based on my experiences and explorations of this topic, as it is of great interest to me! But, your mileage may vary!

[Laurasia]

I do believe that souls tend to reincarnate with the same groups/"families". I also believe in soul mates as I have almost always reincarnated (& almost exclusively in an intimate manner) with my own soul mate, Miss Bothmann.

The topic of soul splitting has suddenly become much more sticky for me. I do believe in soul splitting as I have experienced myself after a particularly traumatic Greek lifetime. However I had never looked into what Twin Flames were before (I thought that it was another term for soul mates ) & now wonder if that could possibly explain what has occured between myself & the part of my soul that has seperated since that Greek lifetime & started its' own birth/death cycle. As the soul is incarnated now just as I am & is of the opposite sexual gender than I am now.

So Iseke, you have given me something to think about & explore now! LMAO!

Sincerely,
Laurasia

[Miss Bothmann]

Yes, I truly believe that we are capable of incarnating time and time again with the same group of people. I have identified several people that I have shared at least one past life with, though I have never actually met these people face to face. Also, the biggest one for me, would be Laurasia. In every past life that I remember, except for one, Laurasia has shared that lifetime with me.

[pixarfan]

I'm reading Michael Newton's "Destiny of Souls" right now and from his research hypnotizing people into the between-life state, there are indeed "soul families" who reincarnate with each other as close friends or relatives. There are "soul mates," but one can have several (they don't necessarily have to be romantic; just someone a soul interacts closely with through multiple lives). He discounts "twin flames," saying that from the clients he's interviewed, each soul is unique and not "split from the same energy egg" or anything. However, he did encounter a few cases of split incarnations (souls going through a few different lives at the same time to speed up their development), but it is rare.

[rednight94]

Jul 22, 2011 20:39:57 GMT -5 pixarfan said:

However, he did encounter a few cases of split incarnations (souls going through a few different lives at the same time to speed up their development), but it is rare.

I'd be really p*ss*d off if I fell in love with someone, only to find out when I die that I actually was that person. Can you imagine how lonely you would feel? Going through life with a person you totally connected with only to find out that person and you are one in the same?

[Storm]

I quite like the idea of my soul splitting and having a relationship with myself, ha ha! After all the most intimate mergence is that of oneself into the "I Am".

I cannot take anyone else with me when I die. I have to spend eternity with myself. So I might as well love myself.

I was told that I have lived a number of split soul lifetimes, playing games with my own psyche. It's an interesting idea. I certainly think we can live simultaneous lives, even if we do not meet the aspects of our souls incarnated in other form.

If we are all just One, split up into different identities in order for the One to experience every form of life and consciousness, I guess this makes sense.

When I researched my other PL I really believed I was the woman and not the man. I ended up falling in love with the man and it was a terrible shock when I found out I was in fact him. I asked my regressionist how on earth this happened. She told me that the level of intimacy my soul was aware that it had with the man could only be explained by the conscious mind as him having been my lover. That kind of made sense. so I do think it is possible to fall in love with aspects of ourselves, incarnated or not.

I kind of take the joke now, but I was absolutely mortified at the time when it finally transpired I was the guy and not the woman. I was like, "Urgh, I was in love with myself as a man!" So I do understand how off putting it potentially could be to find out one had had a lifetime's relationship with an aspect of oneself. Although if learning is the object, it may serve some purpose for some individuals.