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Post by msmir on Nov 9, 2010 0:50:28 GMT -5
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Post by mccoyxyz on Nov 9, 2010 9:13:54 GMT -5
When you look at how desperately people of that place and era proceeded to falsify documents, it's not surprising that such a thing would happen.
They can consider themselves lucky that they both discovered the same thing. How much marital bliss would there be if only ONE of them were Jewish? (That would sort of be akin to discovering that my ex, the previously snooty British officer, had actually been Kommandant of Treblinka.)
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Post by sweetlunapie on Nov 9, 2010 9:24:47 GMT -5
Let me get this right, and please correct me if I'm wrong:
They were Neo-Nazis, THEN found out that they had Jewish ancestry, THEN decided to practice Judaism...excuse me...ORTHODOX Judaism?
Hmm...they STILL sound like the assholes they used to be. How convenient that they suddenly want to embrace their roots. It shows the ignorance and danger in believing that Judaism is an ethnicity; it's a religion. There is absolutely nothing at all wrong with converting to Judaism, but in my opinion, they are acting like this is some kind of free-pass to become Jewish, and to me, that's just as stupid as being a Neo-Nazi...if you like the religion, convert! But come on, don't say that you suddenly found out that you were "Jewish all along."
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Post by Laurasia on Nov 9, 2010 10:03:31 GMT -5
Ironic, yes. That they have decided to practice orthodox Judaism makes me believe that their superiority complexities are still very much intact though. Not that I think there is anything wrong with orthodox Judaism in & of itself, but I expect that their version of "orthodox Judaism" is going to be more like fundamentalism. They've probably dropped one prejudice to adopt another based on a skewed version of Judaism.
I hope not. Perhaps they have truly learned a hell of a lesson & will understand Judaism properly, but having switched from one opposing view to another so quickly....I don't know.
Sincerely,
Laurasia
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Post by msmir on Nov 9, 2010 10:33:01 GMT -5
Laurasia, YES if they have that kind of mindset to begin with... then they will twist the religion around too. Lovely couple that they are  |
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Post by sweetlunapie on Nov 9, 2010 10:52:38 GMT -5
Agreed, Laurasia!
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Post by euskanoravian on Nov 14, 2010 2:04:24 GMT -5
I don't buy for a second that they even care about Judaism. To suddenly become religious Jews, and to join a congregation after the discovery of having Jewish roots- sounds dirty and hypocritical since they were hardcore neo-Nazis. It would not surprise me if they spewed out fundamentalist type of attitudes later on. People don't change that quickly, usually. Under exceptional circumstances perhaps but this to me, is not. From what I have read about them, they sound like trash to me anyway.
Blessed Be,
Andi
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Post by sweetlunapie on Nov 14, 2010 7:19:23 GMT -5
Exactly!
I feel like it is a matter of trading one "addiction" for another; if they are extremists, they will probably be happy, you know?
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Post by mccoyxyz on Nov 15, 2010 9:04:58 GMT -5
I would not care to be a fundamentalist myself, of any particular religion; however I would stop short of criticising those who are.
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Post by sweetlunapie on Nov 15, 2010 11:29:20 GMT -5
I openly criticize fundies; all they are about is thinking that they are better than everyone else, indoctrination, and oppression. Frankly, people who oppress people are awful, and fundies sometimes inflict possibly irreversible emotional and psychological damage on their children. A good read is the blog "Razin' Ruth;" this woman escaped from her quiverfull fundie family and talks about how she is trying to make it on her own outside of the confines of her familiar (in this case, familiar meaning of the family) world.
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Post by euskanoravian on Nov 15, 2010 11:31:52 GMT -5
I can't help but question why anyone would have a soft spot for fundamentalists. McCoy, why is it that you are defending them? They are obnoxious, instill fear into you, and are extremely closed minded. To be frank, they scare me.
Blessed Be,
Andi
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Post by mccoyxyz on Nov 16, 2010 10:39:39 GMT -5
Misquoted, since when did I say I was "defending" them? That sounds remarkably Marxist-Leninist, you're either for us or against us, on one side of the barricades or another.
The fact I don't criticise another's religion is simple, that way they don't have the right to criticise mine.
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Post by sweetlunapie on Nov 16, 2010 10:51:19 GMT -5
Saying that the argument is "Marxist-Leninist" is a bit over the top: I'm not saying that it is a one side of the fence or the other, I'm saying that people who are oppressive are dicks, and that has no connection to communism. That has absolutely nothing to do with their religion, that's ALL personality.
Even though you don't do anything to cause them to criticize your religion, most still will! Fundies have a penchant for ridiculing anything or anyone who is not just like them.
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Post by kapitanprien on Nov 16, 2010 15:51:28 GMT -5
Seems to me like they're doing it to 'save face' in a sense.
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Post by euskanoravian on Nov 16, 2010 16:21:56 GMT -5
Excuse me, McCoy? I knew it. You are a fundamentalist. If that is the case, what are you doing on a forum like this? You are right. I cannot stand fundies. They are paranoid, dirty and narrow-minded cowards. Here is a Marxist-Leninist comment from me to you- take a hike! Because I am against you, not for you.
Blessed Be,
Andi
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