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Post by gumby on Feb 12, 2012 19:39:44 GMT -5
Okay here is the question that has been bothering me for quite some time, concerning atrocities committed by Nazi party leaders. Now, if they were responsible for the slaughter of thousands of innocent victims, what would happen to these same Nazi leaders in their next incarnation? Do they suffer for their actions, are they punished for what they have done? OR, on the other hand, are they given the chance to make ammends this time around, to redirect their lives towards a more positive direction? Can they change, becomming caring and loving individual, helping others less fortunate?
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Post by Leutnantzursee on Feb 12, 2012 21:16:49 GMT -5
Hi Gumby :-)
I'd say going by the types of people on this forum who were those Nazi officials in their past lives, that yes they get to make amends this time around and are now very different and more enlightened people. That's what I find so fascinating, reading through old posts here, I can't help but see a pattern of similar karmic affects on both victims and Nazis, as if both parties are somehow strangely linked to each other, as if what we do to others (as in the Nazis) we do to ourselves. The journey of discovery for most of us has been a harrowing one, whether we were on the receiving end of hatred or the haters. I think there is an incredible and profound transcendent love in all this, which really is so humbling and talks so much about the nature of forgiveness when we do actually pass over. Clearly no one is thrown into the fires of hell, no matter how terrible and harmful their past life was. I think personally, that most of us during one incarnation or another have done despicable things, there have been thousands of wars and genocide committed through the centuries, it just happens that WW2 is very recent, so still raw in all memories involved. It maybe possible to go from victim to bully and back again in various lives, we get to be involved in ALL facets of human experience, no matter how horrifying some of it is. I think we're all here to learn how to be more loving and perhaps we can only truly hate a wrong and want to change the essence of that wrong, by having lived through it in a past life. Many of the Nazis, I think have not come back and are still in a very maudlin state of shock in the afterlife, realizing how mad and violent their actions were, they went to an absolute, an extreme, now they are faced with the true face of themselves as monstrous men and women. Yet I sincerely believe that no one is born implicitly 'evil' - its all a choice. As I say, the voice of experience and true compassion may come from the soul that's lived a multitude of masks in their PL's both good and bad.
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Post by msmir on Feb 12, 2012 22:26:42 GMT -5
I have to agree with Liz. No one is born evil, but what affects us is the environment. I feel that the older the soul (someone who has had many past lives and more experiences than a "younger" or "newer" soul) the odds are higher that they would become more enlightened and remorseful. But I don't like to see reincarnated Nazis get lost in guilt to the point that it stops them from moving forward and living their lives. Same goes with reincarnated victims who can easily get lost in paranoia, depression, fear, anxiety to the point that they cannot move on. Those who reincarnated came back with the intention to evolve. Now, it does not always happen even with the intention. There are still many reincarnated Nazis who have joined the KKK and neo-Nazi movements. There are a lot of reincarnated victims who walk around in fear and don't achieve much in life because of fear and severe low self esteem.
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Post by gumby on Feb 13, 2012 10:15:28 GMT -5
Yes I agree with what has been said thus far, I think that the Nazi party leaders that were executed for war crimes had remorse for their deeds, and if they did not, they probably were not ready for reincarnation yet. That is not to say that at some point they will not have remorse for their deeds. But I think that those whom came back did carry some of that weight into this next life, for some it must weigh heavily on them. Then of course there is always the possibility that a few X Nazis did come back, and at first attempted to live a good life, but fell back to their old way, and they once again resorted to a path of viiolence. It is difficult to say for certain. Thanks lizzie66 and msmir for your insights into this : )
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Post by Laurasia on Feb 18, 2012 15:42:35 GMT -5
I whole-heartedly have to agree with what Lizzie & Msmir have said about all of this. Being a former Nazi myself I know first-hand that I have already endured karmic retribution for some of the things that I did during Hans' life. But, more importantly, I have reincarnated from his lifetime into one in which I am able to not only share the knowledge of exactly how & why Hans & many men like him ended up doing what they did back then; but I can now help others to heal from all sides of the Holocaust due to that retained knowledge. It's no coincidence that I've retained many of the same numerological numbers & astrological signs that Hans had during his lifetime....only now I am able to utilize them in the proper way unlike Hans.
Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by Leutnantzursee on Feb 18, 2012 19:03:05 GMT -5
Hi Laurasia - this numerology sounds interesting, I didn't know you could use it in reference to past lives - how does that work? Sorry to wonder off topic, maybe you could post a thread about it some time :-)
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Post by pixarfan on Feb 19, 2012 6:49:58 GMT -5
From this forum, I'd agree that since the ultimate goals in this universe are forgiveness and unconditional love, reincarnation offers a chance to heal and help others, Nazi or otherwise. (OT: Although I do wonder what neo-Nazis were in a past life...)
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Post by msmir on Feb 19, 2012 8:55:45 GMT -5
From this forum, I'd agree that since the ultimate goals in this universe are forgiveness and unconditional love, reincarnation offers a chance to heal and help others, Nazi or otherwise. (OT: Although I do wonder what neo-Nazis were in a past life...) Many of them were nazis and had the intention to evolve in their current lives but they got sucked into the negativity again. They are also usually younger souls who had less experience. Some also do evolve at a later point though.
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Post by gumby on Feb 25, 2012 13:24:39 GMT -5
Yes I would agree it seems like healing is going on as we forge ahead into the future. I think that we have more understanding and tolerance of one another now than in the past, thanks to greater education and enlightenment about different cultures and traditions. Granted the prejudice and intolerance still exists in many places and individuals, but I feel that overall we have grown in a more positive direction. However, if our ultimate goal in this human existence is to attain perfection, I don't feel that we are going to get there on our own, we will require guidance imo.
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