For those who are interested in astrology..

[msmir]

I had started getting into the nitty gritty of some astrological answers, and even numerological ones on one of the threads.. and the last thing I want to do is go completely off topic in an area where we are supposed to be staying on topic...and astrology really had nothing to do with that topic per se, even though it was interesting to look for astrological reasoning behind what was being discussed... so since there are some who are interested in astrology or who would like to know more... I created this thread just for astrology, numerology, tarot or whatever you would like to talk about Because I am really tired, it's almost 2am, I am not gonna start with any heavy duty stuff about it but I will start off by saying that the three main components of your chart are your Sun sign, Moon sign and Ascendant. The Sun indicates your will and your main soul's purpose... the Moon indicates emotional reaction shown by how one is affected by how one is affected by environmental stimuli... also indicates the mother and feminine energy, intuition and definitely past life memories. The Ascendant is your rising sign at birth which shows your main personality or your "mask" but really what it is, the purpose you are supposed to fulfill by influences from other sources...the way you gain information through others is indicated by the sign that is on your rising sign.

For instance, I am a Leo Sun, which yes indicates that I am such a drama queen LOL..NOT!! No but I love to shine where it is important to me, and that is not necessarily a bad thing. If you are passionate about something you do, your pride will show. But my purpose is to help others see the power they have within them to live up to their potential.. and that is the job of the Leo. My Moon is in Taurus which alone shows how much I love my material luxuries, which give comfort.. so what do I tend to do if I am stressed, I EAT which is something you see that someone with a Taurus Moon does.. but that earthy love can be transferred to earthy surroundings like taking a walk in a garden, or a park, etc when feeling stressed. That actually does work wonders....of course Taurus is associated with security and many reincarnated Holocaust victims I have found have a Taurus Moon as well. It's not a surprise at all...either they tend to be overeaters due to that which is common for reincarnated victims for understandable reasons...or may tend to cling to some other material possession as security.. could even be money since they may fear poverty... and my rising sign or Ascendant is in Sagittarius. This shows I am here to explore through other sources such as traveling which I have done a lot of.. but am determined to do again when the time is right, and just learn about anything you possibly can, which involves spirituality, culture, philosophy, etc.. also common for reincarnated victims to have Sagittarius rising since their freedom was suppressed in their last lives.. so they have the freedom they were denied back then but the sign is there for them to use it to their best advantage such as always exploring. I would write more if I was not falling asleep LOL, but this is the thread for any discussions that are astrologically or anything else related!!

[Iseke]

Interesting! I love thinking about astrology but never once thought to wonder how my current chart is affected by my past.

I'm Virgo sun, Cancer moon and Capricorn rising. They're all associated with frugality which I can see being connected.

I'm also a rather emotionally inhibited person as well. My moon in cancer may provide a depth of emotion but it's rare when I allow myself to confront it. I've heard it said that Virgos love to analyze their emotions but rarely like to feel them. Maybe this is some kind of defense mechanism?

Anyway, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Your insight into the connection between reincarnated victims and the signs you were born into is very fascinating!

[msmir]

Iseke, your current chart is definitely mapped by your past. The fact that you died in such awful conditions will also make you conscious of your health and spiritual well being, as well as others which explains your Virgo Sun.. Capricorn rising indicates that you treat everything in life seriously and are ambitious to follow through on goals, and you get help with this through other sources as well as connecting with others who will help you achieve your goals. In your last life you were obviously robbed of that as you had a huge mission of your own that you were not able to complete..you are going to complete it in this life, thankfully not for the same reason. The Cancer Moon shows how much you really... the last emotion you had before death was how much you missed home, your family and/or what was dear to you, and when dealing with a stressful issue in life, you may become overly emotional by retreating at what you consider to be your home.. in fact you may have said if in a bad situation many times that you just simply want to go home and not face the world at that time(or indulge a sweet tooth as many of those who have a Cancer Moon as well as a Taurus Moon tend to do that). It's just a response to the stressful environment even if you don't really mean it..you may also need to be in the company of a mother like figure if your Moon is in Cancer.. but not necessarily always the case. The Moon rules Cancer so it's a very strong emotional sign to have. And yes, Capricorn does not get wrapped up in emotion and it actually opposes Cancer. Cancer rules the home, the mother, childhood, family, so you can see how emotional the sign is.. Capricorn rules business, ambition, discipline, career... and those are the areas in life where you don't get wrapped up in emotions. And yep Virgos do analyze their emotions, and don't feel it because Virgos are not about feeling emotions.. or anything.. their job is to analyze to make sure that it is at its best. That is why so many of them are health conscious. But in your case it may be a defense mechanism because of your past.. you had chosen to work towards your goals and to analyze everything you do without emotionally getting too wrapped in it.. though at the same time your lesson is also to acknowledge your emotions, when the timing is appropriate.. this also explains your Cancer Moon.

[Iseke]

Wow, yeah, I can definitely see the connections there! I've been a hypochondriac and chronic worrier my whole life: stereotypical Virgo traits but ones that I can clearly see are related to protecting something I did not have the luxury of keeping safe in my last life. I've always been terribly worried that something was going to be taken from me, and throughout my life have attributed this worry to disease. I've come to realize that it's far more complex than that.

Sept 11, 2010 13:07:18 GMT -5 msmir said:

The Cancer Moon shows how much you really... the last emotion you had before death was how much you missed home, your family and/or what was dear to you...

This especially is really interesting because my beginning...I guess you could say inclinations that I had about this past life were not about the Holocaust at all but about the home (Russia) I had left behind. This feeling of homelessness and longing started to creep into my current life and that was what inspired me to look into my past. I left home for political reasons and, for different political reasons, was never allowed to return. Hopefully in this life I will get the chance, although it won't be the same of course. I do still feel such a longing for a sense of place.

Also, like you mentioned, I've always had the feeling that my moon is meant to play a more prominent role in my personality. I think I have a hard time trusting others or trusting security and this keeps me from really opening up and allowing my emotions to participate. I think an event like this (to say nothing of what has happened before and since) really causes a lot of us to see just how easily things can change, and I've found it hard to trust after that. I also find it hard to not be so serious all the time. It's awfully stifling sometimes.

[msmir]

Oh yes, well I want to mention that the Sun, Moon and Ascendant are the core areas of your chart, but remember you have so much more... you have the planets, the houses, and aspects which tell you everything about your past, your present and future potential. Unfortunately some "astrologers" (I use quotations because they are not true astrologers even though they understand the basics of astrology) don't believe in free will and insist that your chart sets your life in stone! I hate that! That is so wrong because we ALL have free will, yes.. your chart maps out your blueprint in your life but you have choices on how to work out your blueprint. But with a Virgo Sun, Capricorn rising and Cancer Moon you will be intense!! That would be a great indication of someone who worries to the bone. Based on your past life.. it is no wonder. Again it shows determination for your soul to complete its mission in this life... and you will likely be fine! Interesting again, how you had been so drawn to your home, and it stayed with you at the time of your death which explains the Cancer Moon. It also depends on the condition of the Moon, whether it has easy aspects or hard aspects to other planets.. I sense your Cancer Moon may be afflicted, based on your past life experiences alone. That would explain the feelings of mistrust and fear of facing emotions. But a lesson for you is to actually understand your emotions and be at peace with them.. that is my feeling. But we are all here to face different challenges.. and the challenges can seem more daunting after having a past life like we had, Holocaust victim or Nazi who hated doing his/her "job" but did it against his/her will to live!

[euskanoravian]

I have a Sagittarius Sun, also have a Cancer Moon, and Libra rising. I have a Grand Cross too. Uranus sits on my rising sign- which makes me who I am. It squares Venus, the Moon and opposes Mars. What are your thoughts on that?

Blessed Be,
Andi

[msmir]

You were born with a Sagittarius Sun because in your last life, your expression of freedom was suppressed and your main goal is to find it within you to express what you need to express and learn what you need to learn, and gain as much knowledge as you can because you are free to in this life. The Cancer Moon again indicates your feelings at the time of death were about how much you missed your own home and even mother... and Libra rising indicates you are here to find balance within yourself since you were unable to.. you have to balance the light side and the shadow side.. you were not given a chance to let your good side shine and when you let it shine that is what cost you your life. We ALL have a shadow side, but in this life, you must acknowledge it.. and accept it but also realize that you are free to use your good side. The lesson with Libra rising as well is to develop meaningful relationships which you were also unable to do. With Uranus there, it indicates that you are going to view things that may be unusual to others, and gain the knowledge that you need for this life in your own way, not in conventional ways.. I will explain that better. For instance, most people will gain knowledge from reading and studying books, going to seminars, etc.. not that you would not gain knowledge from doing that kind of stuff but you will have a more unusual approach to doing so, such as consulting psychics OR more accurately using your intuition instead of your mind to do so. Uranus squaring Venus and the Moon is going to make you a nervous wreck alone, and that will also make you believe that others are judging you more than they really do! So you may be prone to pushing people away with that kind of aspect alone... and your emotions could swing from one side to the other... and with Mars opposing Uranus, that alone can indicate a terrible temper LOL... but Mars would also be squaring Venus and the Moon which again can be rough for your emotions AND developing long lasting relationships with Venus in the mix.. that can be brought on by a short fuse. However, the good thing is, you are meant to be aware of this challenge you have, thanks to your Sagittarius Sun alone.. knowledge is the key for healing, you are aware of this strong challenge, so you can work on it at your own pace.

[privatetucker]

Wow, this is really fascinating to read. I don't really know what my Sun/Moon/Rising signs are. How do I find out? ^^

I only know that I was born a Libra, though I've felt it never really suited me. -.-

[sweetlunapie]

I'm a Libra with Libra rising and a Taurus Moon, so we have something in common, PrivateTucker!

Go to astro.com and I think you select free horoscope, chart drawing (Ascendent), then type in your information. Be prepared to type in your time of birth or your rising won't be accurate. If you want some help reading your chart, I volunteer to help you! I don't have Msmir's skill level, but I might be able to help you out.

[msmir]

Aww thanks Luna. Seems like so many reincarnated victims (though in your case it was different) have a Taurus Moon. Died feeling very insecure, poor or starving for obvious reasons. Tucker, yes go to astro.com and if you have any questions feel free to ask!

[euskanoravian]

MsMir, all from what you had said so far, you hit it on the nail beautifully. I'll contribute more about it when I am up to it physically.
Blessed Be,
Andi

[sweetlunapie]

I did feel insecure when I died, though, because I knew Günther wouldn't be able to make it without me. We were all each other had in terms of family, and once you go through something like a concentration camp together, it changes you to the point that we felt no one could ever truly understand us the way we understood each other (Obersturmfuhrer Linden was probably the only other person we could have completely "let in," but he was long dead at that point; we did let him into our hearts, of course, at the camp...and he was my first best friend, and Günther thought of him like a brother, so it just broke our hearts when we found out that he had died). The other weird thing is that I believe that the cancer I had started in my stomach, then spread to my brain, and even though Taurus rules throat, you said that thing about starving and starving is associated with the stomach. It's strange how that works out.

[privatetucker]

Um, hopefully this link works because I don't know how to make sense of this chart.

www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?btyp=w2at;rs=3&nhor=1&cid=k86filelfhFHL-u1284682665

[msmir]

Andi.. I can't wait to hear more about what you have to say. I hope you are resting up in the meantime.
Luna, very interesting and if you felt that Gunther would not make it without you then you died feeling very insecure.. which also explains your Libra Asc and Sun. All tied to Venus so that could be the tie there. And interesting take on the cancer issue... hmm. And yep, Taurus rules physical security too so if you could not eat and starved to death... and that was certainly on your mind at the time of death, with all of that combined I can understand why you have the chart you do.
Tucker, how interesting. You ALSO have a Taurus Moon, which is very strongly associated with security issues at the time of death. You starved to death, had no shelter, your basic needs were absent.. and when you died the last thing on your mind was how physically insecure you were. So interesting that the majority of victims reincarnated have a Taurus Moon. Your rising or Ascendant is in Gemini, and your Sun is in Libra. The Gemini Ascendant indicates that you were obviously exposed to so much political talk (you were young so you were still learning about what was going on and absorbed the conversations around you) and in this life, you are aiming to in a sense build communities to express what you need to express or to educate. I am not sure what your career wishes are but many teachers have this rising sign, but anyone who has the need to educate has this sign. But the Libra Sun is interesting... indication that even though you were young in your last life, you were considered to be the peacemaker so to speak. You could not stand quarrels and found a way to end fights. In this life you are also meant to bring harmony and peace to others as that is the mission of those who have a Sun in Libra.

[privatetucker]

Heh, that actually makes a lot of sense. I have been told that my aura is lavender, which apparently means peace. I do kind of want to do something educational--I consider it a mission for me to try and educate people about the Holocaust through my writing.