Recalling PL as GM Hans von Ziegesar of Leipzig

[plgmziegesar]

Hi fellow soul partners, many of us seem to find ourselves in a very unfortunate situation of recalling a life we wish we could wipe out of the history books, and out of our own soul's account. I am new to this forum and relatively new to recalling details of my past life, but would like to share to my experiences with you for your review and feedback.

Ever since I was a young child (since I was about 6) I have felt a strong connection with Germany, WWII, and had an overwhelming desire to learn about the Holocaust. I use to think this was due to the fact that I lived in Germany as a child (from 4 until I was 8) with my military parents. I spoke German very well as a child (but lost it once we left Germany), study it again in middle school and picked it quickly, and wanted to continue studying it in high school but we had moved to a small town in AL where they didn't offer any other foreign language but Spanish.

I remember visiting Anne Frank's house as a child and crying, I wasn't exactly sure why but I knew I was sad. We also visited Auschwitz when I was young and it was etched in my young mind. It is an incredibly sad place for anyone, I'm sure it is more difficult for those of us who had a hand in perpetrating the horrors.

My fascination with WWII increased in high school, I read every book I could get my hands on including Mein Kampf, and Mila 18. I once had a writing project in English and had a very strange thing happen. I wrote a story about a woman who goes through her late grandmother's trunk and finds a diary she kept as a young woman during WWII. The grandmother had a love who was an SS soldier who originally thought he was fighting for the right cause but later took his life due to his remorse over the things he was forced to do and his great regret. I wrote much of this story late at night and do not remember writing much of it. I read it the next day and found myself stunned at the detail of what I wrote. I am not sure if this was a bit of recalling or if it was from my previous studies on the subject...

So years go by, I am now 33, have found myself drawn at times in my life to the Jewish faith and people, yet it has never felt like the right place for me. I cry every time I read or see pics from the holocaust, and over the past few years have begun to explore the possibility of a past life experience during WWII. I found this forum and realized I'm not crazy! :-) I would like to share with all of you my experiences in exploring the past life connection. I will begin in my next post so my postings are not too long and hopefully are easier to read! I welcome your thoughts and input as I explore this new realm of my soul.

Thank you!
Kris (PLGMZiegesar)

[plgmziegesar]

I was in the shower one day as I was contemplating my possible previous existence, talking to my husband about the situation, and I became overwhelmed with grief to the point of collapsing to the shower floor...the words "entschuldigen," and "leipzig" seemed to be screaming from within me. I was familiar with "entschuldigen" although I couldn't recall it's meaning at first, and I had no idea what "leipzig" meant. I had no idea where the grief came from, but I told my husband I needed to really pursue recalling my past life as I was pretty certain I had things I needed to heal from.

The word "entschuldigen" means "I'm sorry" or other similar apologies. I looked up, "leipzig" and found it wasn't a word, but a place. So apparently my soul was crying out in apology to the city, people, or some other part of the town of Leipzig, Germany.

Honestly, I was too afraid to actually do the self-directed past life recall techniques for at least 2 weeks after the shower experience. I was afraid of what I was going to discover, how it would change my life, and how I would handle knowing more about a time that was so horrible.

I finally did the exercise the other day and here's how it went:

I asked my guides and guardian angels to be with me, and my "joy guide" (a little girl with brown hair in pigtails) escorted me through most of the experience. After being completely relaxed I envisioned walking down the stairs as directed, except it wasn't my current form...I had the physique of a man...my joy guide held my hand and seemed to assure me that it was ok for my soul to take on a different form as I had been a male more than a female throughout my incarnations.

I had a difficult time creating very clear visuals for what follows, the elements were there in a hazy "feeling" sense rather than picture perfect seeing sense. I sat on the couch with butterflies in my stomach...my guide held my hand and said it will be ok...and encouraged me to go to the door. After affirming the fact that I would not be hurt by what I saw, and that it was as if I were watching a movie, I knocked on the door of my past life. I was not surprised when I felt permission to go through the door...I didn't really 'see"it open, but I could feel it was open to me. I took a glimpse back at my little guide sitting on the arm of the couch swinging her feet, and passed through the entrance. I tried to envision the screen, but could not...things began to swirl around in my head. The image of two brandy glasses filled half way, and one being taken off the table. Somehow I knew these glasses contained poison...the image shifted to being outside a German building, I was looking at it from the corner of the building. I looked down and saw a gun in what appeared to be my hands, a very large gun with holes around the base of the barrel...it was pointed at the building. I don't know how but I had the thought that the building was either on fire or it was suppose to be on fire...I couldn't tell if I was responsible for setting it on fire...I then began to see images of eyes... some of them were very close-up views while others seemed distant...I also thought I heard panic and screaming...there was a lot of shouting in German, and I said (in my mind), "I can't understand you! What are you saying?" The German didn't stop, but I could tell it was shouting with strong emotion behind it...maybe shouting of orders or shouting for help, not really sure.

All of this sudden images and swirling of thoughts had caught me a bit off guard, and I remembered why I was there to begin with and asked the question, "Who was I?" The names, "Hans" and what sounded like "Zieger" came to mind instantly, I discounted Hans, as it was such a common name and felt the other name was a bit muddled...I couldn't tell if it was "Zieger," "Ziegler," "Zeigler," or "Zeiger." So I asked instead to see my feet...nothing really clear came out but I thought I saw black shoes momentarily. I felt it was time to stop as I didn't feel like I was very successful in figuring our who I was and thought it would be better to try again another time. I went back to my little guide and I watched us walk up the stairs...again I had a male physique.

I began doing research as soon as I came back to my senses, and here's what my research has discovered so far (I knew none of this prior to my PL recall experience):

There was a Major General Hans von Ziegesar who was Kommandant of Leipzig. He surrendered the city to the Allies in April 1945. He was born in 1891, and rose through the ranks during WWI. He has a pretty impressive military history written in German at this site: www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Personenregister/Z/ZiegesarHansv.htm

Here's a picture of him (he's the tall one in the middle) www.69th-infantry-division.com/whowhere/photoi1.html

When the Allies got to Leipzig they discovered a concentration camp just outside of Leipzig which had been burned and roughly 300-400 prisoners killed. Here's a link to one of the pieces I found on the subject: resources.ushmm.org/film/display/detail.php?file_num=24

They also found several officials in the Rathaus (City Hall) who had committed suicide when they knew the Americans where coming and their town was to fall to the Allies. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zwJ3Xog9sw

At this point, I am not sure if I was a foot solider commanded by GM von Ziegesar, or if I was actually GM von Ziegesar and had commanded the atrocities to take place. I do find it interesting that as I was looking for "Ziegler" and "Leipzig" connections, and I came across the picture listed above and saw the name for the GM I instantly said, "That's it!" It was an immediate recognition.

I am very curious to get your feedback...I will be doing further PL recall sessions and will post those as I go.

Thank you for your time!
Kris

[Storm]

Hello and welcome!

Thank you for posting your story on this forum. It is a great forum and I am sure it will help you on your journey, as it has helped me and many others.

It really sounds like you are on to something with your investigation.

I am sorry this is not a long reply. I have sent you a private welcome pm too, which you should find in your messages area.

It is a great shock to learn one may have had a PL from hell, but you are in the right place to explore your situation, so I am glad you found your way here.

Blessings. x

[Iseke]

Hello, nice to meet you! I'm glad you found our forum as well!

It sounds like you have a really healthy approach to meditating and remembering your past lives, and that is definitely a good thing to have considering the severity of these lifetimes. I look forward to reading more of your recollections and wish you peace and healing!

[plgmziegesar]

Thank you, SS*3* and Iseke! I will post new recalls as I get them as I think it will be helpful to sort things out here...you guys have the experience I lack in trying to discern day dreams from actual recalls. :-)

This is a very interesting and difficult path we all find ourselves on, and I am grateful to have others travel it with me (especially those who have traveled through the horrors of our past lives also).

Thanks
Kris

[Laurasia]

Hello Kris.

Welcome to the forum, we are very happy that you have found us too! ;D

It certainly does sound as though you are having legitimate past life recall. And don't worry about whether or not you get your recall in the "right way" or not. There is no one "right way" after all & people will expereince their recollections in whatever way is the easiest for them. Some people experience them not only as sights but as feelings, thoughts, sounds, even smells. And, if they have one sense that is more developed than the others, they tend to receive their recollections in that manner more often than not.

It really is quite shocking when you first see a picture of your former self isn't it? I was quite giddy when I first saw a picture of Hans, as that was the best personal proof that I could ever receive since I already knew what he looked like from having had recollections of him. To actually be able to find him in a photograph was quite stunning to me. Please do keep us updated on any further developments or recollections that you get regarding this past life. It is indeed better to know that you are not alone in having such experiences - which is why we are here.

I hope that you enjoy yourself here on the forum &, if you have any questions or concerns, feel free to PM either myself or our Global Moderator, Msmir.

Sincerely,
Laurasia

[Miss Bothmann]

Hello kris and welcome to the forum.

Yes, it definitly sounds like PL recall. I am very happy for you that you have found out so many facts already (after your regression). Like Laurasia said, everone experiences memories differently. I tend to get them in dreams or during meditation. I hardly ever get spontaneous recollection (but when I do, it is usually not a positive memory).

I think you are doing a very good job working your way through this...especially taking a break from it when you need to. Trying to force memories out into the open when your soul is not ready to can only hurt you worse. Just remember that you have an entire community on this site who knows that you are not crazy.

Best wishes.

[Leutnantzursee]

Hi Kris and welcome to the forum:-) Wow - I think your PL recall seems to spookily match up with the evidence you unearthed, and in the main I think we just have this instinct and synchronicity with this sort of thing, like you say from childhood obsessions and reactions to images of the holocaust. I'm sure now that you have a name to go on, it won't be too hard to research your memories against history. Funnily enough I've had a recall in the shower too, just after the Japan quake, I went into meltdown and couldn't stop crying, when I had a shower that night, I got flashbacks of being in feudal Japan and running with my children from some impending disaster, it must be something that gets triggered by running water!

It'll be fascinating to read what else you discover as your journey unfolds, people here are lovely and very supportive:-)

All the best
Liz

[ignotus]

Hey, welcome! Interesting story! Do tell more if you like!

[plgmziegesar]

Hi everyone!

Thanks again for the warm welcome.

I had an interesting thing happen the other day... My husband and I were sitting at the table talking after dinner. We were discussing PL stuff and he had said he was really curious about his past life and I told him how there are times when I look into his eyes and I feel as though there is a depth to our relationship that goes beyond this lifetime. A few minutes later we kissed and he had his hand cupping my face...all of a sudden the image and feel of him doing that to me changed.

I saw a young man's neck and jaw line, he was wearing a light brown collared shirt with short straight blondish-brown hair cut in military style precision around his neck. The room (or perhaps tent) was dark and I caught a quick smell of earth and moisture...it was like we were in an earth floored basement or tent. There was a faint glow from an oil lamp on a nearby round "table" ( I think it was a barrel, or something as rustic in look/feel). Now, here's the really odd part...I was not me as I am now...I did not see my face, but I knew I was a man...an older man. We were sneaking this kiss...but it was not the first time we had done it...not sure how I know that, but I just know. I had put my hand on his thigh and another on the back of his head. Then I came back to my kiss with my husband at the table. I took in all of this in what seemed like a split second and several minutes all at once.

I pulled away from him and stared at him for a long minute as I processed what I had "seen." I am still trying to understand it, but I at this point I am left to assume he and I were "unconventional" lovers in our last lifetime (or some other time before that- although he looked decidedly German from his jawline/neck view).

Another possibility is that I am starting to tap into a psychic gift I have not yet explored (although wouldn't be surprised to have) and was seeing his life for him...I was not really there. How can you know the difference?

What a twist it would be for a Kommandant in the Reich to be homosexual! I also find it interesting that my husband was teased as a young boy by classmates who called him gay, and he has lived much of his life as borderline "homophobic," yet has just recently admitted to being curious about bi-sexuality.

I would really like your feedback and thoughts...

Thanks!
Kris

[ignotus]

..Wow..

Actually, a lot of high class Nazis were homosexual.. But of course, most in the army were closeted. I have a friend from another forum who was also a gay Nazi. I'm now curious, they're more homosexuals than what they told me.. Even a possible Kommandant. Hmm..

Any way, very interesting! Do post if you're comfortable sharing it!^^

[gumby]

This is really very powerful recall, Kris. I am also horrified by the thought of the concentration camps and the atrocities that happened. I have recall of living in WWII Germany as a woman named Katie, and I would have been horrified if I had found out what was really going on in the camps. I don't think that I did know, yet I was driven to do my patriotic duty and help in the war effort in BDM service, sending supplies to the front and working in the Daimler factories near Stuttgart. I was really only a child at the time, only 14 at the outset of the war, and 18 by the time it was over. By war's end I did begin to question the Nazi system, and I especially hated the SS. I think that if I had known what was happening to the Jews, I would have done everything I could to help them hide. But in reality I was so indoctrinated and completely naive about the brutal aspects of the regime, and I was proud to support Hitler, seeing him as a great leader whom brought our nation out of hard economic times into a brighter future. when the war was over, I felt as much a victim of the Nazis as I did of the occupation forces in our borders.

[Leutnantzursee]

Yes, I do think there is this 'queer' irony about Nazism, that despite its campaign of hatred towards gay people, a number of top-notch SS were of course gay! as I understand the SA was headed by an open homosexual man - Ernest Rhom who was murdered in bed with his young lover. It wouldn't surprise me at all Kris:-) Or as you say, you may be picking up from another lifetime or just something from your husband's. Its always annoying never being sure what is what with things psychic, I can relate to that!

[plgmziegesar]

Thanks ,Ignotus, Gumby and Lizzie66 for your feedback!

Not having enough experience with what I would call "psychic" work of my own to base it on, I can not tell what exactly happened. The feeling involved with the situation felt as if I were really there (the smells, the feel of his hand on my face and his lips, etc.), so I am inclined to think it is recall. However, I know there are people who can actually "feel" the situation of others through psychic gifts...never experienced it myself but have heard of it happening. There have been times in my life where I get little "messages" about people around me. Sometimes I have been able to validate them, but most of the time it's things that I can not verify because I do not know the people well enough to say, "Hi, excuse me for asking, but are you struggling with an eating disorder?" :-) However, I have never had other senses (long images, smells, sounds) used for these messages, so again I am inclined to feel that this was a recalled experience.

It is fascinating to think that a high ranking official could have had secret male lovers (of perhaps just one).

Another thing I am feeling a bit uncomfortable with is with a "feeling/thought" I had after this vision. It came to me as I sat there and processed the images. I did not have images for this, it was simply a sudden "floating thought" if you can understand what I'm meaning...something that flashed in my mind and once it did I had a hard time ignoring it (although I have tried ignoring it very much since it occurred to me...another reason I did not mention this in my post about the vision). As I sat replaying the image, I had the thought that I hid my homosexuality by being with multiple women...more like using multiple women...I had the notion that it was often forced on my part (meaning I didn't really enjoy them, so I would force it...but could have also forced the girls...not sure). Interestingly enough, now that I think about it, in this life when I first started having sex I did not really enjoy it and would often force myself to do it for my partner. I thought it was simply lack of experience, but maybe not. I will say this has changed drastically since then! :-) LOL!!
I'll keep you posted if other things come through!
Kris

[ignotus]

Psychic messages, huh..? I wish I had that but I can't feel a thing.. Good luck with your memories though!^^