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Post by nreiter on Oct 16, 2011 9:26:27 GMT -5
Good morning, all,
I am SO sorry to not have been on here for a week or so - like Ms. SS3, much errantry has been had and lots of projects and life tasks on the plate.
There have been, though, a couple of topics that I really have been itching to inquire about here. I'll flip a coin and toss this one out for now.
I imagine this has been discussed on the SR forum before, and apologies in advance for any redundancy in threads I may not have seen.
Does anyone have any experience with memories of past lives spent as an animal or non-human entity? Or do human souls incarnate as humans only? Or within a certain "bandwidth" of related species of animal?
I know there are always lots of old jokes and quips about "hope I don't have to spend my next life as a _____ "(fill in blank with some humorous animal or plant)
But in serious study of our chain of existences, what is the consensus? Have I spent several thousand lifetimes as assorted bugs, mice, fish, etc, and I just can't recall anything from them since human brains and fish brains don't use the same software?
I would love to hear ideas and experiences on this topic. No, personally, I have no notion of any past existence as anything other than a person.
Blessings,
NR
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Post by msmir on Oct 16, 2011 14:50:54 GMT -5
A pet psychic who seems to be quite accurate and trustworthy to me once told me if a soul had ended up with many traumatic incarnations in a row, the soul may choose to come back as an animal just to only pay attention to the simple things, and basic survival instincts, and then to work its way up again. Not that humans are above animals, just a lot more complex. I think it is an exception rather than a rule though. And no it is not so much de-evolving, it more like a time out and a re-start.
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Post by gwida on Oct 16, 2011 17:04:42 GMT -5
A pet psychic who seems to be quite accurate and trustworthy to me once told me if a soul had ended up with many traumatic incarnations in a row, the soul may choose to come back as an animal just to only pay attention to the simple things, and basic survival instincts, and then to work its way up again. Not that humans are above animals, just a lot more complex. I think it is an exception rather than a rule though. And no it is not so much de-evolving, it more like a time out and a re-start. I agree with you msmir! I kept getting thoughts such as: "That's it! Enough of this human life! I want a break of one lifetime after this human death as an animal." I kept thinking that it would just give my soul a break from such intense human emotions and thoughts, and help me listen to the silence once again. As far as I'm concerned, I think I'm straight out of the animal kingdom, strictly speaking. This will be my fifth human lifetime, but I have dreams where I'm constantly morphing into different animal forms. My most common morphs are the large cats, so I believe I was probably one of those species towards the "end" of my animal existence. Most likely one of the spotted cats though... I think we can definitely remember our animal lifetimes, but often our human thoughts and emotions from our human PLs get in the way and "over-ride" these animal PLs. So we can't connect back to our simplicity again, and yet even though I haven't had any memories surface consciously of me being any animal yet, I still feel that for me, running around in my dreams as a feline is a great start for now. So I dunno... perhaps just trying to pay attention to how your body feels in your dreams?  At other times for me, all it would take would be for me to look at an animal such as a dog or a cat running, and just trying to "feel" myself through them and how they would experience the world travelling as they do. But that's probably just my over-active imagination! ;D I read in a book somewhere, that when Souls come to Earth to learn and experience life in the physical form, they may be coming from other dimensions but one has to have a certain "frequency" that they vibrate at to be able to incarnate straight as a human being. Otherwise you have to "work your way up", as msmir said. However, I have a personal view that those higher dimension Souls may choose to experience life in all it's complexity -- from plant to human form -- and it COULD be just a matter of personal choice, of how much they want to experience life "from all angles" if that makes any sense?  |
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Post by Iseke on Oct 17, 2011 15:48:38 GMT -5
Yes!
As an animal lover I have always been curious about my past lives as other animals (and non-human lifeforms).
I know this is something of a divisive issue, but when you think about it, human-centric reincarnation does not make sense. It doesn't. All forms of energy present in life have the capacity to change and grow and experience, so why limit one's manifestation (or "highest" manifestation) to JUST humans? It's anthropocentric fallacy to assume that all that happens meaningfully happens to our species only.
That said, yes, I do have memories from non-human lifetimes. Some are merely visual, but my most prominent ones to date regard a lifetime as a giraffe.
In regards to only being able to remember the human lives we've lived, I do not have memories from all of my human lives, either. The memories you recall have more to do with how they connect with your current lifetime and consciousness than they do with how far removed you are from that species or time.
Exactly!
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Post by gwida on Oct 17, 2011 18:15:32 GMT -5
In regards to only being able to remember the human lives we've lived, I do not have memories from all of my human lives, either. The memories you recall have more to do with how they connect with your current lifetime and consciousness than they do with how far removed you are from that species or time.Dude you are awesome!  That's how I feel -- that we connect with our PLs that are most relevant to us at any particular time -- even if it wasn't the immediate PL, but the one before it. Because that would mean that there is additional "over-riding" or stronger issues we must deal with from that time. Sometimes I feel that in order to understand the present, one must go back -- way back -- and that is currently what I'm doing to try and understand one particular person who I believe I've known for several PLs. I'm curious to see how far back we go, and if he was one of the first "human Souls" I met when I transferred into the human realm? I think it would be fascinating to find out! ;D (I wonder if there's such a thing as Soul karmic bonding? Y'know, when two Souls -- or more -- meet and decide to spend multiple incarnations together. Sometimes I wonder if that bond is stronger than death itself and that in order to "break the cycle", both Souls must learn/deal with any issues they may have -- face to face. Anyway, off-this-thread-topic rant over!) |
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Post by Iseke on Oct 17, 2011 18:30:48 GMT -5
(I wonder if there's such a thing as Soul karmic bonding? Y'know, when two Souls -- or more -- meet and decide to spend multiple incarnations together. Sometimes I wonder if that bond is stronger than death itself and that in order to "break the cycle", both Souls must learn/deal with any issues they may have -- face to face. Anyway, off-this-thread-topic rant over!) |
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Post by nreiter on Oct 17, 2011 20:28:42 GMT -5
Thank you Iseke and Gwida! That is what makes this such a rich place for me to explore - there are many experiences and many perspectives here, and I am very grateful.
I wonder if one reason its less frequent that humans remember animal PLs is that the perceptions and mind of a different species are just not immediately translatable into human thought patterns. Not the soul - the mind .
Now here's a wild one. How frequent are memories of PLs involving ET or life forms on other worlds? Are souls bound to a particular planet? No, I have no experiences with that (that I know of). But I'm fond of asking crazy questions.
Again, thank you,
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Post by rednight94 on Oct 17, 2011 21:33:30 GMT -5
About only remembering the lives that are most relevant to you in this life is not something I believe. I had a strong connection with the Victorian era growing up and never even thought about WWII really. I think I was being protected by my guides. I don't think they thought I was ready for such memories. The Victorian life was nice though, and perhaps that's why I felt strongly for that period when I was little. I still don't have memories, honestly.... Anyway, I don't want to get off topic. I think it would be wonderful to remember lives as animals, it's a shame I can't! Gwinda, you're lucky you can feel yourself running in a cat's body. That must be a very nice experience! |
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Post by Iseke on Oct 17, 2011 23:08:49 GMT -5
Red Night, it was the same for me. In fact, my lifetime in the victorian era is one of my closest in terms of importance to me. I didn't learn about my Holocaust life until much later, and to this day my visual memories from that life are sparse for the same reason you mentioned.
I do feel that the lives we tend to connect with the most are the ones most clearly related to our current state, as that is certainly the case with me. But I should have been more clear in what I meant: I don't believe ALL the memories you are able to access need to be strictly related to your current lifetime. You should be able to access anything from your soul history that you're ready to see, I would think. It's just that it won't be as pressing and unless you are going out of your way to do so the memories from lifetimes you've already worked through may not come up as readily. But I don't know, what do you think?
As for ET memories, I don't have any memories that I know of, but I know of others who do. There's a term, "starseed," that describes souls who primarily incarnate in other star systems/planets and are now incarnate here, like foreign exchange students. I know my soul tends to incarnate here but that I've had lifetimes in other places. Wish I could remember those!
This is all so interesting!
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Post by gwida on Oct 18, 2011 1:42:52 GMT -5
I read in one book that Souls tend to incarnate on one planet (e.g. earth) to settle any existing karma before they incarnate on others. However, I've had several bizarre dreams -- the most "vivid" one I believe late last year -- where I was walking along this dusty road and looking ahead of me. I felt like I was in the astral plane (that is, like it wasn't a memory. More like me re-exploring any area I may have known in my PL as though I was in a virtual reality). I remember the 1st building I saw was a tall, white cylinder that resembled a star observatory (for all I know, it may well have been that!) The terrain reminded me of the dry alpine regions of Italy, or semi-savannah eastern Africa (I was thinking of the Masai Mara in dry season). I felt like the weather could normally become very hot, and maybe that was the reason why the inhabitants built very thick-walled, white buildings. I remember I kinda freaked out, because I'm not one of those sensible dreamers and frequently run into trouble. When I came to the end of the lane of buildings and ran into some "locals". Blonde. Brown or green (maybe blue...?) eyed. From 5 ft upwards and looked human, except for the fact that they had HUGE peepers! Jeez! I mean, seriously! Imagine the proportions of a cat's eyes on a human face. And they were very reflective too, so I instantly thought: "OK, maybe these guys have good night vision... I think I'll just walk the fk away now!" I got "impressions" (I'm sorta like you Iseke -- I get emotional "hunches" where I get my info mostly from that way, kinda like trying to tap into a vague childhood memory) that these guys were into: photography genetics (  Not too sure about this one) star-gazing (or astronomy ) the arts peace (they didn't feel like a violent race -- if anything, I suppose a bit too curious like cats ) So of course I nearly p*ss*d myself with fear when one of them pulled out a human-looking contraption and attempted to pull me into the photograph-shot they were about to take of their group. I ran away (more like tried and failed to more into various birds in the process. I think the blonde-headed chick was a bit surprised at seeing a crow flapping from tree branch to tree branch) but they caught up with me. They didn't want to do anything to me apart from trying to communicate, but started laughing (not jeering in any nasty way) when they realised that they were unable to do that because I wasn't "on their level". I found it weird that I had several more dreams where these "people" (I call them "the Cat Race" even though their eyes are the only part which remind me of felines) would appear to me, all the time trying to speak, but no sound could ever be heard coming out of their mouth. I think these guys communicate telepathically, and that where ever their home is, they ain't quite as solid as I perceived them to be. So perhaps I dunno... "visible" but not "materialised" if that makes any sense whatsoever. Well, that's probably I'll get to answering the question of "What about ET PLs?!" Dang it I feel like I'm several dimensions short of their communicative wave-lenght!!!  ... I think I'm convinced now that I really do belong in the Loony Ward, hahaha!!! |
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Post by Laurasia on Oct 18, 2011 15:29:39 GMT -5
Hi Nreiter. I don't recall any animal lifetimes of my own, but I know of some people who have recalled living lifetimes as animals. Perhaps, for some people, this is why they are so very much drawn to a particular animal totem (or why that particular animal totem is drawn to them )? Perhaps their connection to that particular animals stems from a previous lifetime as that species? I have recalled living a lifetime within what I believe to be the last incarnation of our world itself. I believe that, just like us, the earth itself has had many previous incarnations as well. I do not believe that constitutes an ET lifetime though. Sincerely, Laurasia |
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Post by gwida on Oct 18, 2011 18:05:23 GMT -5
Hi Nreiter. I don't recall any animal lifetimes of my own, but I know of some people who have recalled living lifetimes as animals. Perhaps, for some people, this is why they are so very much drawn to a particular animal totem (or why that particular animal totem is drawn to them )? Perhaps their connection to that particular animals stems from a previous lifetime as that species? I have recalled living a lifetime within what I believe to be the last incarnation of our world itself. I believe that, just like us, the earth itself has had many previous incarnations as well. I do not believe that constitutes an ET lifetime though. Sincerely, Laurasia I think we have our "lifetime" totems, which are with us from birth till death, but others definitely come in as we need to learn additional lessons which the lifetime/birth totem cannot teach us. For me, I think some sort of feline -- most likely either a leopard or a lioness (because I was so lion-obsessed as a kid!) is my birth totem, but I feel like I've had a dash of coyote, wolf and bear teachings. So yeah, its really just going on what each lessons we need to learn from animals, but that doesn't mean we were necessarily the animal in our last PL incarnation prior to our human one we feel now -- just that we're learning that animal's lesson at the moment. Likewise, our main totem animal doesn't necessarily have to be our "last" animal incarnation, but perhaps we ORIGINATED from the dimension/planet which was the "point of origin" of that particular species, and therefore resonate with it most? That's a very interesting dream you had Laurasia! Perhaps it was a reflection of the gradual matterisation (making up words here!) the earth went through to get to it's "solid" stage in the 3D, and therefore it's consciousness was what you connected with most before the earth was ready to be populated by ET souls as an over-sized classroom? That is so bloody cool! If you can still remember the dream in detail, I'd love to read it in expanded form, LOL!!! ;D |
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Post by Iseke on Oct 20, 2011 15:39:06 GMT -5
Wow Gwida, that sounds like quite the experience! It'll give me a lot to think about!
And I like the idea that some of the animal totems we connect with now may have been animals we've been before.
So many cool experiences people here have had!
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Post by Laurasia on Oct 24, 2011 16:43:16 GMT -5
That's a very interesting dream you had Laurasia! Perhaps it was a reflection of the gradual matterisation (making up words here!) the earth went through to get to it's "solid" stage in the 3D, and therefore it's consciousness was what you connected with most before the earth was ready to be populated by ET souls as an over-sized classroom? That is so bloody cool! If you can still remember the dream in detail, I'd love to read it in expanded form, LOL!!! ;D Hi Gwida. Oh it isn't a dream that I've had, they are full on recollections just like the ones that I have of Hans' lifetime. They are of a life on earth, but not earth as it is now. Like I said...I believe it is from one of the earth's former incarnations as a planet. Since most people cannot relate to having lived a lifetime in such a time & place I don't dicuss it very much. Sincerely, Laurasia |
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Post by nreiter on Oct 26, 2011 14:52:01 GMT -5
Hi Gwida, Laurasia, Iseke, and all,
Yeah, golly here I am missing out on half the cool replies to this discussion thread. So sorry to be off and on and a bit sparse. I caught up to Laurasia's memories of PL on a different Earth, but hadn't had a nice easy afternoon to pop in til now...
First off, thanks so much for the wonderful ideas and experiences here, all of you. Gwida, that is a most fascinating memory. Planet of the Cat-folk. With a nigh infinite number of life permutations possible, I have no reason to doubt that it is a wondrous world - I hope that their culture is progressing peacefully and well.
(At least it wasn't a LOLcat planet)
Laurasia, the alter-Earth memory is very interesting. Could it be truly an alternate world-line Earth? (ala MWI quantum mechanics or "Sliders") Or was your impression that it was literally a previous "kalpa" of the universe?
Oops, I may have opened a barndoor there. Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics and the alternate world-line idea. Any thoughts on all that? I suppose the most direct evidence of that would be memories of a historical PL in which some obvious detail is "wrong" but yet the memories seem valid. Like a vivid recollection of living in 1800s New York, but everyone is speaking Norwegian instead of English.
Thanks all,
Nick
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At other times for me, all it would take would be for me to look at an animal such as a dog or a cat running, and just trying to "feel" myself through them and how they would experience the world travelling as they do. But that's probably just my over-active imagination! ;D 
That's how I feel -- that we connect with our PLs that are most relevant to us at any particular time -- even if it wasn't the immediate PL, but the one before it. Because that would mean that there is additional "over-riding" or stronger issues we must deal with from that time. 
Not too sure about this one)
