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Post by lunamoth on Jul 17, 2011 3:00:36 GMT -5
Warning! Content may be disturbing to some members!Hello everyone -- I feel like a veteran of holocaust PL's. On Valentine's Day 1981 I had my first vivid flashback to the final day of my previous lifetime, which began in a Polish train station and ended in the gas chamber in Auschwitz that same night (or early the next morning) in February 1942. I am registered at SR as "lunamoth" which is the name I give my holocaust PL self. Based on my flashbacks, a PL regression and some research, I believe she was a Polish female who joined the anti-Nazi resistance as a courier, and was involved with a resistance group near Breslau, composed of young people from the city who set up camp in the woods and planted explosives to sabotage German trains heading for the Russian front. Lunamoth was fluent in several languages, including German, Polish, Russian, Roumanean, and as a courier she travelled around Germany, occupied France, and occupied Poland. She also worked with Jewish resistance groups and other organizations that were hiding Jews in the countryside and smuggling food into the Warsaw ghetto. (I think this might explain why, throughout my life, Jewish people have been very ready to 'adopt' me although I look quite Aryan (: Also, I cry when I listen to Polish resistance songs.) I believe I was killed in Auschwitz on or around Valentine's Day, 1942: this was the scenario I relived in my first spontaneous flashback and later a regression in 1998. It began with a roundup in a train station where hundreds of Poles assembled in the early hours of the morning. After an endless wait in line, I tried to bargain with the Gestapo so my two friends and I would not have to board the transport.I offered money and was told to follow the agent -- after which I was trapped in a back room underground, gangraped, beaten almost to death with clubs to the point where I was out of my body, observing all this from a place on the ceiling. At the last moment I was suddenly 'rescued' by a German officer, a medic who I apparently knew. He barged into the scene and let out an ear-splitting shout which emptied the room -- so he must have had authority. He then had me carried on a stretcher to the hospital car at the rear of the transport. I don't believe he knew about the Final Solution which had just been decided at Wannsee a few weeks earlier by our friend Heydrich et al. Also, this transport was not for Jews, but Polish intellectuals, labour organizers and people suspected of being in the Resistance -- it was a test run for the gassing of Jews from the ghettos which began the following June. It was a very cold winter, with temperatures well below zero. I was wrapped in blankets and lying on a pile of rags, while the German officer (who wore a long military overcoat, a cap with the eagle insignia, high leather boots and was carrying a riding crop (!) stood next to me all through the night. He would not sit or lie down -- possibly due to some discplinary code. I believe he gave me morphine to kill the pain of my injuries (broken collarbone and I don't know what else) as I was often in a pleasant, dream-like state. Every so often when we passed through a village, light would enter the railway car through cracks in the siding and I would get a glimpse of him, swaying with the motion of the train. I think he was a Wehrmacht officer who was doing his duty be accompanying the transport in the rear wagon, but as I said, I don't think he knew what awaited us at our destination. We finally arrived at Auschwitz -- but first, we came to a halt just outside the town, and the train switched to a second set of rails, then very slowly we travelled the last kilometer and came to a final stop. After that, all hell broke loose: there were barking dogs, shouts, screams of people as the doors of the train were hauled open, gunshots, etc. and I went into a state of total panic (in the regression) and I think I lost consciousness. It was probably an hour later when they finally opened the doors of the hospital wagon where the Wehrmacht officer and myself were waiting. More shouting ("Raus!" etc) and then I remember being placed in a metal cart that ran on its own set of tracks to the gates of the camp. The next thing I know, I'm waking up in a small cement room which has just been whitewashed. Overhead is a small round object, probably a lightbulb (I saw this lightbulb on the ceiling, and traces of whitewash on the walls of the gas chamber when I visited Crematorium I in 2002) and the room is about as big as a one-car garage. I am alone -- there is nobody else in the chamber -- and after a couple of minutes gas starts filling the room and I begin choking. At this point in my regression, the therapist began pounding on my back with her fist, telling me to cough the gas from my lungs as it is still with me in my astral body and was the cause of my respiratory problems in childhood and adolescence, and later allergies etc. I cough and cough, and then it's over, I am dying, or rather leaving my body and up ahead is a long whirling tunnel. At the far end, I see my parents in this lifetime, as they looked in 1950 when I was being conceived -- i.e. my dad with his rimless glasses and my mother who was still dying her hair black and parting it in the middle. They look very surprised to see a baby heading their way -- they had been married for 7 years, without children, and had basically given up. In fact, they ended up with twins and I actually think this was because at the time I was killed I was pregnant and the child I would have had became my twin brother in this lifetime... and both of us appear to have been involved as children in the MKULTRA program in Canada. Just wondering -- when I tried to vote in the Victim-Perpetrator poll, I saw no category for 'Resistance people' -- but there must be a few of us out there... Thanks to you all!
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Post by Storm on Jul 17, 2011 7:56:18 GMT -5
Hi and I am so glad you did decide to join. Your story is very moving. I am reassured, and yet upset at the same time, that someone else has probable links to secret research programs stemming from that era. I am terribly upset for everything you have been through, but it makes me feel slightly less crazy. Many do not believe there is this other dimension to the phenomenon and I am not going to post a load of waffle about it, (everyone will be relieved to hear). But I myself suspect my own situation involving, "our friend H" is most likely connected to something along similar lines. And frankly, though there are others who assume I am in denial because I won't blindly accept I am a straight reincarnation, this is what makes the most sense to me, in my experience and journey. So I am very pleased to have connected with you and welcome you most sincerely. I just wanted to say that as I am considering stopping in less than I previoulsy did, so I can explore these other dimensions as I wend my way on my own strange journey. Below is a link to a search which brings up a number of threads and sites which discuss the concept of MKULTRA being involved in reincarnation. I will leave members to research or not as they feel comfortable with. But for me it is the only explanation I can accept for my own situation. Because of what I have experienced. And whilst many in the reincarnation scene are not ready to accept this other dimension may indeed exist, (that possibly indicates consciousness exprimental rather than just purely spiritual journey emphasis to the phenomenon), I feel as time goes by more and more people are going to come forward regarding the secret research that derived in part from the Nazi era. And we may eventually get some more answers. The second link has some ideas in that I believe may relate to my own experience. The Japanese reader said I kept being pushed out by another soul who was competing for my incarnation and another reader says I am fused with "H' on a soul level. I come from the bloodline, (Merovingian, direct descendent of Clovis), alleged Moonchildren were created from and a key member of my family was part of a famous group of Crowley inspired witches in the late 60s, around my conception. It is partly for these reasons I have to consider the MKULTRA possibility. So I am once again so grateful, Lunamoth, to have connected with you, as you know that there is truth in this MKULTRA theory. Sincere blessings. www.google.co.uk/search?q=mkultra+reincarnation&rlz=1I7DKUK_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&redir_esc=&ei=Kt4iTv_yJZKYhQe3sNWXAwtimenolonger.wordpress.com/tag/mkultra/The final link is to a short Youtube film about how this reincarnation technology could work. This is not a conpiracy theory. This is a British Telecom project called Soul Catcher on an Open University official educational programme! There are comments after the video and mine is under UFOSIG. If this guy says the technology is 30 years away be SURE the military already have it. They are at least 30 to 50 years ahead of what we think.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N5nLKhpFKU
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Post by lunamoth on Jul 19, 2011 1:35:23 GMT -5
Hi Iseke, Thank you for responding. I felt some odd shivers when I read your message, about being a nurse in France during the war. On a train that passing through Alsace-Lorraine one time, I had the weirdest sense that I was back in the war, especially when we came to the German border and strangely-clad POLIZEI began checking our passports.
Nice to meet you! Of course many people tried to do the right thing, and a good many paid for it with their lives. I have read that the life expectancy of female couriers in the Polish resistance was a few months. So there was a suicidal aspect to joining. Plus, a kind of 'natural selection' happened whereby the Nazi collaborators would tend to survive -- I think people need to remember that when they talk about e.g. the Poles being anti-semitic. Three million Poles died in the war, and I would guess the highest death rate was for resisters. I wonder if this makes us more fearful, or more reckless, in our next incarnations?
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Post by Iseke on Jul 19, 2011 16:59:20 GMT -5
For me, it has made me incredibly fearful. This is something I am struggling to work on.
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Post by Laurasia on Jul 19, 2011 18:34:54 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum Lunamoth & thank you for sharing your memories with us. They are very vivid indeed. I am indeed sorry that you had to go through everything that you did back then, dear. I wish that I would have thought to add Nazi-resistance to the sites' Perpetrator/Victim poll! Unfortunately I am unable to do so now. but you, and all other resistance members are more than welcome to cast your vote in as "other" & than elaborate within the thread. I look forward to hearing more from you around the forums. Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by lunamoth on Jul 20, 2011 11:11:11 GMT -5
Hi SS3 (and everyone) I'm having trouble arranging my thoughts about MKULTRA and reincarnation, because most of it is a big "I Don't Know" -- but I have to admit I am open and sympathetic to there being some sort of link between my PL in Germany/Poland before and during the war, and my childhood in secret experiments. A few years ago, I wrote a book-length memoir about this called MY COLD WAR (www.lulu.com/diamondback) and I'm now working on a sequel -- just so you know I have been thinking about all this for some time (: Just based on what I believe are pretty clear PL memories, and what I know about my years as a MKULTRA kid -- well, I do believe there is a causal connection, as in "You pick up [in your next life] where you left off [in your PL]". My resistance story really lasted only a year or two, and was quite intense. I think I was around 30 when I was killed in Auschwitz, but prior to that I think I studied medicine possibly in Leipzig and/or Vienna, and I also feel I was connected with Mengele during that period. I doubt that I would ever have agreed with his decision to join the SA, which he did in (I think) 1935 or so. My sense is that I was a Socialist with quite strong political views. So we would have parted company at about the same time people like me were being kicked out of medical school -- I just have a feeling that I knew Mengele, knew about his involvement in secret societies, the eugenics experiments -- and that I had mixed feelings about him as a person, i.e. that at one point I tried to see his "good side" -- and that this could be a reason why he followed me into my next incarnation. It appears to be a fact that Mengele was in Montreal in the mid-50s, and possibly earlier, and that he worked at McGill among other places on classified projects. There are a lot of witness accounts which I can document (another time). He experimented on orphans, and children of the military (my dad was in Air Force intelligence). He was the guiding spirit behind the Monarch program which created mind controlled slaves, and I believe my father was blackmailed and manipulated into putting his twin children into that program (he later got us out -- or so I believe). Anyway, it's just "my story" but I think it can be backed up with plenty of facts, witness accounts, circumstantial evidence: the stuff of semi-fiction. I also believe in "soul traps" -- not because I have any experience of that, but because I think that kind of technology exists. If in 1959, MKULTRA scientists already had electronic capability to broadcast messages to the human brain ("Voice to Skull"), then just imagine what they have now. And trapping souls is an ancient black magical practice, as SS3 points out -- there are even Kabalistic roots to it. Has anyone here read THE MORNING OF THE MAGICIANS (sorry -- I haven't had time to read many threads) -- ? Once again, it's really a pleasure to be here (: Lunamoth/Ann Hi and I am so glad you did decide to join. Your story is very moving. I am reassured, and yet upset at the same time, that someone else has probable links to secret research programs stemming from that era. I am terribly upset for everything you have been through, but it makes me feel slightly less crazy. Many do not believe there is this other dimension to the phenomenon and I am not going to post a load of waffle about it, (everyone will be relieved to hear). But I myself suspect my own situation involving, "our friend H" is most likely connected to something along similar lines. And frankly, though there are others who assume I am in denial because I won't blindly accept I am a straight reincarnation, this is what makes the most sense to me, in my experience and journey. So I am very pleased to have connected with you and welcome you most sincerely. I just wanted to say that as I am considering stopping in less than I previoulsy did, so I can explore these other dimensions as I wend my way on my own strange journey. Below is a link to a search which brings up a number of threads and sites which discuss the concept of MKULTRA being involved in reincarnation. I will leave members to research or not as they feel comfortable with. But for me it is the only explanation I can accept for my own situation. Because of what I have experienced. And whilst many in the reincarnation scene are not ready to accept this other dimension may indeed exist, (that possibly indicates consciousness exprimental rather than just purely spiritual journey emphasis to the phenomenon), I feel as time goes by more and more people are going to come forward regarding the secret research that derived in part from the Nazi era. And we may eventually get some more answers. The second link has some ideas in that I believe may relate to my own experience. The Japanese reader said I kept being pushed out by another soul who was competing for my incarnation and another reader says I am fused with "H' on a soul level. I come from the bloodline, (Merovingian, direct descendent of Clovis), alleged Moonchildren were created from and a key member of my family was part of a famous group of Crowley inspired witches in the late 60s, around my conception. It is partly for these reasons I have to consider the MKULTRA possibility. So I am once again so grateful, Lunamoth, to have connected with you, as you know that there is truth in this MKULTRA theory. Sincere blessings. www.google.co.uk/search?q=mkultra+reincarnation&rlz=1I7DKUK_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&redir_esc=&ei=Kt4iTv_yJZKYhQe3sNWXAwtimenolonger.wordpress.com/tag/mkultra/The final link is to a short Youtube film about how this reincarnation technology could work. This is not a conpiracy theory. This is a British Telecom project called Soul Catcher on an Open University official educational programme! There are comments after the video and mine is under UFOSIG. If this guy says the technology is 30 years away be SURE the military already have it. They are at least 30 to 50 years ahead of what we think.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N5nLKhpFKU
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Post by Miss Bothmann on Jul 21, 2011 15:28:42 GMT -5
Welcome to the site lunamoth. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us..though I know that it was very painful for you to recall. I am sorry that you had to go through that in your last life. I look forward to seeing you around the site.
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Post by msmir on Jul 30, 2011 0:34:39 GMT -5
Hi Lunamoth! I am glad to see you around I have done readings for people who were in the resistance in their past lives with similar experiences! I hope you enjoy your stay
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Post by lunamoth on Aug 23, 2011 9:04:24 GMT -5
Hi Lunamoth! I am glad to see you around I have done readings for people who were in the resistance in their past lives with similar experiences! I hope you enjoy your stay Hello Msmir, I just found your message, after a busy month with no time to visit this site. Thank you, and everyone else, for welcoming me. It's interesting that you have done readings for people who were in the resistance. I've always thought it would be helpful to compare notes. There were a few details that stood out in my regression experiences that seemed odd. One was that I travelled to Auschwiz tin an empty wagon (the hospital car, at the rear of the transport), with a German soldier who was dressed in Nazi regalia. There was also the detail of the smaller set of tracks beside the main tracks at Auschwitz, and the fresh whitewash on the walls of the gas chamber. Although I wondered initially about these details, I was later able to verify all of them. i.e. that there was a hospital wagon attached to the rear of some of the trains, that many Wehrmacht officers were anti-Hitler and helped the Polish Resistance, the smaller set of tracks does exist, and the gas chamber was whitewashed after each use. So, in a way, because these details seemed atypical and weren't known to me until I did some research, I think they lend veracity to my story -- (: anyway, I like to think so... Another point I was meaning to make, but forgot. When I was at the end of my regression, i.e. experiencing death as I left my body and flew down the tunnel towards my parents in this lifetime, I actually laughed out loud. The regression therapist said, "Why are you laughing??" and I told her it was because, up to then, I had not realized death is very easy, and not frightening at all. We waste so much time in our lives fearing and avoiding death, but when it comes, it seems like an anti-climax. That's, plus the enormous sense of relief I felt at being released from all that fear (that ended in Auschwitz) -- just made me laugh. I have to say, though, the therapist was right when she told me "A regression can be a lot of work" -- and warned me about all kinds of emotions that might surface later. They did. My regression changed the way I viewed my present life, and made it impossible for me to go on living the way I had up to then. I started noticing the people around me in this lifetime were people I had known in Poland and Germany, and they (like me) were busy repeating patterns from that lifetime. Also, the therapist pointed out groups of younger people in town who were reincarnating all together, e.g. some of the Grunge kids who organized a street fair we attended, she said had been together in concentration camps, which explained the clothing they wore in this lifetime, and also the colours: grey, drab greens and dark browns, bordering on rags. Some of my colleagues in the world of journalism, where I was having more and more problems, I began to see as former Nazi collaborators, and as time went by and I became more isolated professionally and personally, I realized I was going down the same road that had led me into the Resistance and later got me on that train... So i started making career changes, left the city of my birth, moved out west -- and my life did improve when I left some of that old collective karma behind. It also clarified many situations that involved old patterns of victimization. I think in the end, it made me stronger and more awake to the world around me. And now, I'm going to read a few new threads... All the best Lunamoth
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Post by Laurasia on Aug 23, 2011 12:24:17 GMT -5
Hi Lunamoth. It is amazing what insights we can pick up on through self-awareness that we never did pick up on before. Especially in regards to the behaviors of others, as you mentioned. While it can be exhausting work (though people outside of the reincarnation community wouldn't think it is) it is also very rewarding as well. With the self-knowledge that remembering brings also comes empathy & responsibilty...& that is the hardest & best part of all of this. I am very glad to hear that you've been able to work through all of that & use it to better understand those around you as well as to improve your own life/circumstances though. ;D Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by lunamoth on Aug 25, 2011 2:21:33 GMT -5
Yes, exactly, Laurasia: "the behavior of others" can become quite a focus. I remember sharing some insights I started having with a close friend, who seemed to be entwined with the same kinds of people I was having problems with -- and she blew up, completely denied it, and ended our friendship after calling me "a very angry woman." She also refused to have a PL regression although initially she was very drawn to doing it -- Ten years later... she tells me I was right, after all... that the people I pointed out to her as having victimized her during WW2, had in fact turned out to be doing exactly that in this lifetime. But at the time I warned her, she couldn't see it. These friensd of hers had offered her a role in a film they were making. She had to go through a long, painful process of realizing their flattery was a smokescreen, and that in fact they had written the role to humiliate her -- PL material can be quiet explosive. I would now think twice before sharing my intuitions... Hi Lunamoth. It is amazing what insights we can pick up on through self-awareness that we never did pick up on before. Especially in regards to the behaviors of others, as you mentioned. While it can be exhausting work (though people outside of the reincarnation community wouldn't think it is) it is also very rewarding as well. With the self-knowledge that remembering brings also comes empathy & responsibilty...& that is the hardest & best part of all of this. I am very glad to hear that you've been able to work through all of that & use it to better understand those around you as well as to improve your own life/circumstances though. ;D Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by Laurasia on Aug 25, 2011 14:37:51 GMT -5
Hi Lunamoth. Oh I've seen that type of behavior in others before.....& fallen for it myself as well. I was in a relationship with someone that was very unhealthy & everyone except myself could see it. I was simply too wrapped up in the relationship & too busy trying to make it work for me to listen to what everyone around me was saying. Thankfully that was a very long time ago though. It is indeed frustrating when you try to point out things to others that are seemingly obvious enough & they simply cannot, or will not, see it for themselves. And usually when you get those explosive & irrational reactions that means that you've hit the nail on the head. Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by lunamoth on Aug 27, 2011 4:22:20 GMT -5
Yes. We realize when we're ready. In my friend's case, she also had epilepsy -- petit mal seizures which caused her to zone out, as well as grand mal seizures where she would appear to beat herself up. She gradually left those abusive friends behind, though, and married someone nice.
My point, though, being that my PL regression seemed to percolate outward, into my circle of friends. And many friendships didn't survive the new insights that were flooding in for me at the time. I actually think it raised my vibrational level or, at least, changed it so that I no longer belonged in the world I'd, up to then, been living in, relatively comfortably. That world was overturned, and all kinds of hidden secrets began popping out of the woodwork. I'm sure you're familiar with that process.
Echoing my "resistance" PL, I started seeing people as either resisters like myself, or "collaborators". Before my regression, I'd been much more tolerant of people's foibles, and their little betrayals. But afterwards, it seemed I could see inside people, especially to their secret fears -- the little deals they made to survive, sometimes at the expense of their own integrity. All that shadowy behaviour seemed suddenly to come out in the open. It was as if i could glimpse scenes from their Past Lives where they had done things --
e.g. another friend had worked with the Resistance during the war, but under torture or threats by the Nazis, he had betrayed a group of his friends. And they killed him anyway. The guilt and fear from that were still with him, and very obvious in this lifetime. But he hadn't learned the lesson, and in this lifetime he's both very guilt-ridden, and quite prone to being 'bought off' -- he works hard to hide all that from himself and everyone around him. He's a cartoonist, and keeps a sketchbook filled with "talking animal cartoons" which he shows to everyone, while he also has a sketchbook that he fills with self-portraits that are much more revealing and very melancholic-- that he keeps completely private unless pressed to open it.
WW2 was a time of crisis, when we were often revealed by our actions made under extreme pressure. I would guess we will be dealing with those lifetimes for a while...
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Post by Laurasia on Aug 27, 2011 15:15:07 GMT -5
Hi Lunamoth. Oh yes I understand what you mean regarding being able to tell what others' "hidden agendas" are. I often find that I'm able to do that as well with co-workers, family members, etc. (Perhaps that's an echo of Hans' "better abilities" as a detective? ) But you are definitely right that as a person becomes more aware of themselves, & the world around them, it becomes easier to pick up on such subtle things. Sincerely, Laurasia
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