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Post by msmir on Aug 9, 2010 20:37:18 GMT -5
Hi sweetlunapie, glad to read your story I understand the concerns about the copyrighting. It's amazing how you knew all of that information. How did you find out your date of birth in your last life? I am sure situations like what you had in your last life happened more often than one would think. Anyway so glad to see you posting Cheers, Mir
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Post by msmir on Aug 9, 2010 21:14:10 GMT -5
Yes like how I got my dates too when I really fell into a very sleepy like trance, like it just comes to me. I have not met other Jews personally who have fallen in love with Nazis but I have read about it in various books. For instance, there was an example of it in Tarra Light's "Angel of Auschwitz". I recommend that book because it's extremely healing!
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Post by sweetlunapie on Aug 9, 2010 21:24:16 GMT -5
I was watching a documentary on Auschwitz, and there was a lady survivor who was saying she was working in, "Canada," which meant she was going through the clothing of the people who came to the camp, and one of the SS men dropped her a note and it said something along the lines of how he had fallen in love with her. When her sister came to the camp, the Nazi saved her life because the lady had identified her...AH! How romantic...
I should look up that book!
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Post by msmir on Aug 9, 2010 21:31:20 GMT -5
Yeah "Canada", that is right! I remember that. And yeah....umm how sweet is that? Anyway yes I do recommend that book. It's a great read and I know you will like it.
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Post by sweetlunapie on Aug 9, 2010 22:19:09 GMT -5
I think it's sweet! She even defended him at his trial because he was so nice to her.
That book doesn't seem to be about Jew and Nazi love, just more like love in general. It looks like a lot of people liked it.
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Post by msmir on Aug 9, 2010 22:45:50 GMT -5
I know but there was an example of love in that book.
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Post by Miss Bothmann on Aug 11, 2010 13:41:51 GMT -5
Welcome sweetlunapie. Your story is very interesting, and I must admit that I had a few "awwwws" in there as I read it. Even though you did die of a horrible disease in that life, at least it wasn't in the camp system. You were able to live to a moderate age and spend it with the man that you loved. So sweet...but for that I am envious of you. Anna (my past life Anna died when she was either 20 or 21 in the fall of Berlin, and what was missing in my life was having Hans in it a hell of a lot more than he was. Hans lived in Poland for a good chunk of our relationship, so I did not get to see him too often. Anyways, I am glad that some people were able to have a happy ending.
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Post by sweetlunapie on Aug 11, 2010 15:28:40 GMT -5
Miss Bothmann, Thank you for reading my post! That life had very sweet moments and very difficult moments, just the same. Our relationship wasn't what everyone would consider, "perfect," but I suppose it was perfect to me. Once we met, and especially once we left the camp, our entire lives were each other, and it made it really difficult to trust or get close to anyone else (though, it was harder for him). To tell you the truth, I think the hardest part of our relationship, excluding when I was dying, was the first year out of the camp...but we worked it out. It really must have been hard to be so in love and have that distance between you two. I'm sorry for you to have died so horribly and to not get that contented life with your fiance...you know, just being able to do the simple things that couples do and all...but I think that being able to find love in a world that is falling apart like it was in Germany...a world full of violence and hate...no matter how sad that it is that you two couldn't get exactly what you wanted, it's absolutely beautiful that you found it at all. Another note...believe me...you wouldn't have wanted to be in Berlin after it fell...the women there endured so much rape and abuse...I'm grateful that neither one of us had to endure that. If you aren't very sensitive to rape scenes, "A Woman in Berlin," is the movie to watch to understand what it was like.
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Post by Laurasia on Aug 11, 2010 16:39:35 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing your memories with us Sweetlunapie. It is wonderful to hear about your relationship with your husband. It's good to know that some people did get to be fulfilled in such a way. As Miss Bothmann stated, she & I (as Anna & Hans) were unable to to have that for ourselves...though it was promised to me from higher-ups on more than one accassion. As for the rape & abuse....Miss Bothmann knows all too well about that as it was the Russians who took her from me via those very methods. That is something that is still very difficult for me to work through actually. And I hadn't known that they made "A Woman In Berlin" into a movie. We've read the book. Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by sweetlunapie on Aug 11, 2010 17:09:26 GMT -5
You're welcome, Laurasia. It makes me sad that you two didn't get to have a long life together...it's so tragic... I hope you guys have that now, though. Ohh...that is not good...I figured that Miss Bothmann died in a random bombing... It would be quite difficult for both of you, I would imagine. Horrifying to know that someone has gone through that, and horrifying to experience. The movie was in German, I don't think that it had a lot of publicity here. I think...it is on Netflix to watch instantly. Either that, or I watched it On-Demand on my cable, but I think it was Netflix. Please do be warned, though, it's pretty graphic. Around an hour and a half of rape scenes or scenes leading up to rape.
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Post by Laurasia on Aug 11, 2010 17:26:29 GMT -5
Yes, we have been together for many, many years now. Longer than most married people that I know actually...even couples older than us. Yes it is hard for both of us. Her, having to experience it & deal with the effects from it (which I understand from this lifetime actually, as I am a survivor of both rape & sexual abuse in this incarnation). For myself (having been Hans) it's difficult to know that she had to experience that & I could not be there with her (as always) to protect her from it. Oh wow, it sounds more like a German snuff film to me...not something that we'd care to see. Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by msmir on Aug 11, 2010 21:33:46 GMT -5
Sweetlunapie not sure if I would want to see that either! Ewww! Laurasia that is wonderful that you both are united and will be for good
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Post by sweetlunapie on Aug 12, 2010 7:19:37 GMT -5
Laurasia, I am so sorry to hear that you had to go through that in this life...I have memories of being raped in a few lives (I was kind of raped in Buchenwald by a guard...he couldn't get it in, if you know what I mean, and my future husband walked in on him trying to do that and shot him), and...there's just no way to describe it...it makes me very, very angry to hear about. I'm very sorry that you went through it, and I hope you get better everyday. It is very difficult to not be able to protect the ones we love. Laurasia and MsMir, It's really not a snuff film...as graphic and as plentiful the rape scenes were, I just couldn't say that it was a snuff film at all. It was very real...for the duration of the film, you live vicariously through this woman and the plot feels so false yet so real, because it is just so horrific that you either can't or don't want to believe that human beings are capable of treating others like that, but history tells us that it happened. It's like a real life horror movie...it scared the s--- out of me to think of myself in Berlin at that time. I found the trailer: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEZxcSf9HwM
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Post by msmir on Aug 12, 2010 12:10:26 GMT -5
Hmm I will dare myself to watch it I hope I don't regret this later!
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Post by msmir on Aug 12, 2010 12:16:36 GMT -5
Okay not a big deal, the trailer that is. I don't want to spoil anything but I saw "Downfall" and when the war was over, the Fuhrer's secretary Trudl Junge and some kid who was a member of the Hitler youth who were trying to get away from the Russians ended up bumping into one man and she had a look of terror on her face because she thought he was going to rape her. He looked at her as if he wanted to attack her but he went back to his business, partying with the other Reds in Berlin. Trudl Junge and that boy escaped in the end.
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