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Post by Laurasia on Sept 9, 2010 14:31:44 GMT -5
I'm sure that if you brought the topic up generally, & made sure that she understands that people from the other side of the war reincarnate as well, she would be much more receptive than you're expecting her to be. You say that the two of you talk about reincarnation...Does she understand the basics of karma? Does she understand that we are not the same people that we were in our previous lifetimes? If the two of you haven't had a chance to discuss these more general aspects of reincarnation & have only focused on her own past life perhaps you could "prep her" by discussing those types of things with her first. Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by Iseke on Sept 10, 2010 0:09:49 GMT -5
Your story and your position are really moving. I just want to say that you were incredibly brave for standing up for your beliefs the way you did. The whole system was really geared to keep everyone --on both sides-- motivated by fear, and it worked very well. When I was young I used to lay in bed at night and worry about whether I would have done the right thing, had I been in the position of knowing that what was going on around me was wrong but also knowing that I would have faced grave danger to try to stop it. But people on both sides had these moments of bravery that seeped through the well oiled machine despite the personal risk. These moments give me hope for humanity.
That you stayed to help the souls who were still incarnate is moving as well. I hope you are able to forgive yourself for that past lifetime and see that the light in you was always there!
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Post by euskanoravian on Sept 12, 2010 17:35:22 GMT -5
Thank you Iseke- love your name by the way. That means a lot to say that. I still have a hard time forgiving myself. At least I feel better knowing I had died by speaking the truth. Laurasia, to answer your question about my 11 year old. She talks to me about her past lives and I listen. But she is not quite mature enough to understand the law of karma and other aspects of reincarnation. When she is, I'll tell her everything-especially who I was back then.
Blessed Be, Andi
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Post by Laurasia on Jan 23, 2011 13:44:06 GMT -5
Hello SSKarma. Oh yes, there are many of us out there. Though we often do not have a safe outlet with which to explore what it is that we are going through, which is exactly why I created this forum. By all means feel free to post about your experiences, ask questions, get to know other members, etc. That is what we are here for afterall...to converse with each other & help each other to heal from everything that happened back then. And don't worry about who you may have been in a former lifetime, you are yourself now & all of us here understand that. (And if you are worried about it having been a famous/notorious lifetime, don't worry about that either. There are a few of us here who also have such lifetimes, myself included, & you will not be pressured to divulge who you were...though you will also not be spurned about who you were either should you want to share such information. ;D) I look forward to hearing more from you. Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by Miss Bothmann on Jan 23, 2011 20:45:13 GMT -5
Welcome sskarma. As Laurasia said, feel free to share whatever you like..you certainly will not be ostracized here.
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Post by mccoyxyz on Jan 24, 2011 10:38:27 GMT -5
When I read all of this, I just simply cannot envision you as anything less than a Major. Which means of course, you have somewhat different issues than most of us here, who were relatively unimportant in the scheme of history. Now, I'm guessing the Vietnam War is nothing other than a history lesson to you, guessing by age, but I was around during it, and while being Canadian and uninvolved, I did run into Americans who had been. The whole concept of PTSD really owes itself to the relatively fine level of research done by American authorities during the aftermath of this. At first, it was the bum's rush; over the years, progressed to capable treatment. As far as yourself, you might wish to read some of the materials of the times and see what it is applicable to you; and yes, the officers and grunts had different syndromes. Another possible lead, consider looking at 2G, Second Generation, the children of Holocaust survivors. Just Google "Second Generation Holocaust Survivors" and you'll see it's a goldmine. Actual camp survivors exhibited very different symptoms than did their children. In brief, the survivors had fears that were very specific, that is IT happening again. The children ended up with a more vague, more all encompassing sort of angst, generally disliking and distrusting the world as a whole. Now, for the bit of logic leap, please bear with me. We are none of us the original person, all have died, become someone else. So, in a reincarnational sense, we are the child of the original person of that era. And yes, if you read the 2G stuff, you will see there is an amazing parallel between those people who were children of camp survivors in the genealogical sense and us. And oh yes, it doesn't really matter which side you happen to have been on; it's the same sort of angst after. Best wishes.
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Post by mccoyxyz on Jan 24, 2011 13:11:09 GMT -5
Still, you don't want to beat up on yourself too much, despite whatever rank you may have held. If you look at the history, you'll see it really got going with the Industrial Revolution. Prior to that, there was hatred towards Jews, but really only in the religious sense; the concepts of "Jewish Race" and "political anti semitism" had yet to be invented. Once the Industrial Revolution started happening, it didn't take some bright sparks too long to start blaming Jews for the abuses inherent in it. This line of thought accomplished little with actual industrial workers; who could see, yes the Jewish capitalist abuses us, but no worse than any other capitalist. The line of thought worked best on those entrepreneurial people who were losing out in competition to big factories; somewhat akin to today's box stores killing off smaller retail. Serious pamphletting got going in the 1860's, accomplished little until the Crash of 1873, which was blamed on - who else - Jews. Specialist, single issue anti semitic parties formed up in Germany and Austria. Note that the two nations had remarkably parallel political histories in the late 1800's, with the exception Austria had the ongoing debate between pan Germans and Austrian nationalists, for which there was no parallel in Germany. By about 1890, these single issue parties had become obsolete as all parties had incorporated anti semitic planks into the platforms. Jews chose parties on the basis of who was LEAST anti semitic, where were their heads at? Shortages and inflation of WW1 was blamed on - who else - Jews. The Treaty of Versailles arguably sealed the doom of European Jewry. Britain and the USA were quite willing to be lenient with Germany, to simply get on with the rebuilding process. Had the peace conference gone in that direction, Germany would have suffered a short post war recession, then got back to economic normality. Unfortunately France was the deal spoiler, insisting on reparations which economically destroyed Germany and gave Hitler and Co a lot more influence than they otherwise would have had. The Germans are, overall, reasonable people, and would have had little interest in extreme politics, if the economy were firing on all cylinders. Oh well. So, it doesn't really matter if you were a general. There was a century worth of history already rolling. Now, maybe if you were actually Hitler, well ok, that's clear cut personal responsibility. Anyone else, whatever rank, was simply being influenced by the history, doing their appointed job at the appointed time. Best wishes.
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Post by mccoyxyz on Jan 25, 2011 8:18:33 GMT -5
No question, the Germans are disproportionately blamed in world opinion. Look how many of the camp SS were Austrian and quite enthusiastic, yet after the war bleating about how they were the first victim of Germany ie the Anschluss. Poland conducted a boycott of Jewish businesses the same time era as the Reich, ie pre war. Given their overall lack of any originality, almost all of it was pure plagiarism. Senator McGovern flew on bombers, wondered why he had hit an industrial target 5 miles from Auschwitz, yet not gone after the camp gates. The Zionists were the only ones who were right, said Jews aren't welcome anywhere, go to Palestine. Still, whatever role the USA may have had in keeping out immigrants during the 1930's (and remember the Depression was on), they atoned for it after the war, allowing huge numbers of Jewish and other refugees in; many of whom went on to become prosperous Americans. Best wishes.
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Post by Laurasia on Jan 25, 2011 14:36:44 GMT -5
Hello SSKarma. I can certainly understand your sense of guilt. Though I wasn't a Major or General (I was a Hauptsturmfuhrer - Captain), I did run one of the death camps as well as led an Einsatzgruppe unit toward the end of the war & - therefore - ordered the deaths of thousands (if not millions) of people. It certainly leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Like yourself, I have also lived lifetimes were the very opposite was true of me as well. So that in & of itself is a source of comfort too. I am very sorry to hear that you had to experience such heinous assaults in this life. (I am also a rape & sexual abuse survivor in this life.) Try not to think of them as "payback" though, that only encourages the feelings of guilt for you. While few people agree on exactly how it is that karma works (or even if it truly exists in many cases), it is certainly not a "tit fot tat" occurance. My understanding of it is that it is an overall balancing of events from many lifetimes. Simply put, it is a matter of learning & experiencing things that we need to based on everything else that we have learned & experienced during the entire course of our souls' many lifetimes. I think that I have a fairly good idea of who it is that you are referring to having possibly been your SS incarnation; &, if that is so, I have to say that I did have some strange feelings regarding you - though I also looked up to you immensely. And, again, you do not have to share anymore then you are comfortable sharing with us here on the open forums. (Though I would like to ask if you would be comfortable talking with me in more detail via PM as well? If not, that is fine too. ) I would like to say that I think McCoy's suggestion of applying some of the skills you have already learned regarding PSTD to what you are recalling from your SS lifetime. I can't say that PSTD necessarily "follows" a person from one lifetime to the next, however when there is such trauma in a persons past life the effects can be just as real as if they had occured in this lifetime so such skills are often helpful. As I mentioned, I am also a sexual assault survivor, so I understand how the effects can be rather similar. Regardless of who you were or what you did in the SS that does not define that person that you are now. You have done great things in other past lives & are doing great things now in this life. You are actively seeing that such things do not occur again, THAT is what matters the most. As they tell us in therapy...You can't change the past. You can only change the way in which you respond to it. You can either choose to let it consume you or you can choose to let it motivate you. You have already done just that in regards to the assault that you suffered in this lifetime & how it motivated you to action, the same applies to what happened in your past lifetimes. Even though you were the perpetrator in that lifetime the same still applies. You now understand not only the damage that such actions have on the victims, but also on the perpetrators themselves. You now can see through such "rosy promises" for what they really are & will thusly never fall for them again. These are all great things to have learned, even though it is not pleasant in the least to do so. In fact, from what you have said about all of the work that you already do I think that you have subconsciously already been balancing your karma. You are now simply becoming aware of what the great motivating factor behind your passionate work really is. You are fine & you are doing a great job! The conscious knowledge of your life in the SS is shocking & painful, but it does not change the fact that you are already doing the right things, hon. ~hugs~ ;D Sincerely, Laurasia
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Post by Storm on Jan 26, 2011 3:40:39 GMT -5
Laurasia I would be very keen to talk about this in more detail by PM. I get the feeling I owe you a very big apology. So much is coming to me at the minute. Tomorrow being Holocaust Memorial Day is a big test. I decided to actually read about the person, something I have never done, though I have read stuff on Hitler and the regime and the more esoteric side, which I am very aware I was not very into back then. I was very shocked to find there is much we have in common. I feel sick to the stomach over all this, but am compelled to not turn from it. Like a coward. God I feel like a coward. There's always been a huge sense of fear of being found out that is with me, though found out for what? In this life there are no skeletons that I am particularly hiding in my closet. I fear that this SS stuff is true. I will PM you more this morning. x
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Post by Iseke on Jan 26, 2011 11:48:00 GMT -5
Wow, ok, let's try this again...*kicks iPod*
Hello sskarma!
Firstly I want to give you a huge welcome! This is a great place for healing!
I also want to say how much I completely understand the fear of looking into this past. I was on the other side, and while that relieves me of some of the weight that reincarnated Nazis feel, it is still... very hard to look at the more unpleasant memories. That will take a lifetime of healing for us.
But, this is a great start! I look forward to getting to know you!
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Post by Storm on Jan 26, 2011 17:39:23 GMT -5
Thank you so much, Iseke. You have no idea how much your words mean to me. x
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Post by msmir on Jan 30, 2011 1:55:37 GMT -5
Hi SSkarma I am so sorry for the late reply as I have been incredibly swamped with lots of things going on, readings, upcoming book release and marketing courses.. AND family. So yeah I may be a bit of a stranger around here for a bit due to that. Anyway I was a Holocaust victim but definitely never hold any grudges towards past life Nazis with the exception of those who have not learned from their mistakes like for those who end up joining the KKK or whatever. Those sadden me. Easier said than done for telling you not to feel guilty but please try not to let it get to you. You are living a different life now, and as long as your learning and making sure you can be the best you can be that is all that matters!!! I am here if you want to talk as well but may take a few days to get back to private messages since I am busy and am unable to come on as often as I once could. Oh and I just want to mention to you, that don't worry about this this time but please create your own posts. This post was created by a former member who left for reasons of her own, and is currently battling cancer. I am just thinking if she were to come back and someone used her thread to talk about their experiences she may not appreciate that. Just letting you know Anyway good to meet you! Best, Mir
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Post by Storm on Feb 4, 2011 16:58:08 GMT -5
Thanks Msmir. I totally understand and sincere apologies to the original thread poster. No offence or disrespect was intended. I was just like, "Wow, I'm not alone", and got carried away. Sending healing, love and prayers. x
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