How do you know the difference between Imagination

[rednight94]

And actual memories?
How do you know whether or not you're just imagining things when you're regressed.

[Storm]

I ask these very same questions ALL the time! Did I recall or was I imagining it?

Ok, I believe strongly imagination will fill in gaps. But in the case of my other very well researched past life I came up with information that even local historians had not found. I then checked the information and I evidenced key things I had 'recalled'.

But as for the whole recall, I do feel that some of it may well have been my imagination filling in the gaps. Also, how do we know we are not reading the information from, say, Jung's collective unconcious?

There are so many unknowns.

But, I have my own evidence and what came out of my regression concerning my other very well researched PL has been historically verified. So, I do think hypnotic regression can access real verifiable information, although I am perfectly certain imagination is quite capable of adding its own input.

[rednight94]

Jul 8, 2011 7:14:00 GMT -5 Storm said:

Ok, I believe strongly imagination will fill in gaps. But in the case of my other very well researched past life I came up with information that even local historians had not found. I then checked the information and I evidenced key things I had 'recalled'.



There are so many unknowns.

But, I have my own evidence and what came out of my regression concerning my other very well researched PL has been historically verified. So, I do think hypnotic regression can access real verifiable information, although I am perfectly certain imagination is quite capable of adding it's own input.

If it isn't too personal, could you share some of your evidence?

[Storm]

I always wanted to know where this person and his second wife had got married. I trawled archives and parish records locally and there was no record anywhere. I concluded they must have married somewhere else. Under regression I 'recalled' the parish where they married, which was somewhere else. I checked and they had indeed got married there.

That's the type of evidence I have. Well, I guess it counts as evidence because I could not have known, indeed even local historians had not been able to find out, and I 'recalled' it under hypnosis.


Edits due to typos, grrrr

[rednight94]

Wow, that's really cool! Wish something like that would happen to me!

[Storm]

It's strange because I never wanted to know who I had been in a past life. Not the detail. I had my inner feelings of periods I felt very drawn to and connected to, like the 18th Century Enlightment, the Crusades, Ancient Japan, Egypt and Sumer. But I never really wanted to know who I had been and what I had done.

This all forced itself into my life. And it has been a hard journey. A mixed blessing and a double edged sword really.

I had real difficulty dealing with the probablility I had been a man, even though it explains so much about me now. Like, most of my friends are guys and I have a really male sense of humour, but put me in a relationship with a guy I am totally like a fish out of water. I used to think I would love a wife but not a husband. but I am not gay, in fact I wish wholeheartedly that I was! But I am not. I am totally governed by my biology on that level.

So, finding out I was male up until this life, (for a good few centuries at least), has been a shock to the system, although it really does explain my peculiarities.

This Nazi PL research, however, makes the 18th/19th C one look like a picnic! I am still struggling with it. I think probably I always will, which is why I am going to continue to seek tangible evidence. It's the only way I can deal with it.

I feel that you may well get the confirmation/evidence you need when you are least expecting it, not focussing on it. This whole issue has a very ironic side to it. The universe has a rather sardonic SOH at times. In my case it produced evidence in abundance, because I am naturally quite sceptical and need to be presuaded of things I do not want to embrace. I am perfectly certain had I actively wanted to embrace either of these men, (the Regency dude or the SS General), then I would have not been given anywhere near as much confirmation and 'evidence'!!!!

Ultimatley this stuff probably reveals itself for a reason. Many say it will be revealed at the right time. I hope there is method in the madness and that this is indeed the case. I hope that you get the answers you seek and which you need for your journey. I hope that I can oneday live with what I did in my PL and somehow turn it around and do something useful for creation in this life to balance it.

Have you had regression?

[rednight94]

Jul 9, 2011 5:44:07 GMT -5 Storm said:

Have you had regression?

No, unfortunately. I'll be honest, I'm fully open to regression, but I don't think I could be hypnotized...

[rednight94]

Thanks for the links; they were interesting.

[munchenruth]

I've always been afraid to approach a hypnotist, counselor, etc. with this information, as when I did come forward once, I feared a 72-hour hold and potentially anti-psychotic drugs. "Conventional society" thinks these are medical/psychological issues, so I don't know who to trust. I've had so many psychic readers tell me so much mumbo-jumbo that I can't trust many, if any of them. Any ideas, leads, etc. would be helpful as I'm stuck with my own memories and research. I find it hard to self-regress, and have difficulty trying to weed out what's actual memory and what's just prior knowledge from now.

[Laurasia]

Hello Munchenruth.

Well you could always get a reading from either Msmir or Sweetlunapie. They are both members here & do readings for other members, so they will not think that you are crazy. ;D You can find threads about their individual services in the Reincarnation Resources forum.

Sincerely,
Laurasia

[munchenruth]

Thank you for pointing this out, Laurasia. I will pursue this avenue as time allows.

[brooklynfan]

I tend to be very wary of feelings and thoughts- even the ones that "Kick you in the face" until I can verify them somehow. Usually this comes from comparing the thoughts/feelings/memories to accounts and histories of what actually happened. If I can verify something with a historical fact then I am far more likely to believe it than not.

For example, there are a couple of lives that I suspect but even with some vague memories and recollections I simply cannot put them into the "verified" pile because I cant find exact historic references relating to those particular memories, and sometimes things have to stay that way for a long time, sometimes for years.

For example, I have always said that one of the (many) reasons for the attitudes and outlook I had at the camp was due to the fact that I was completely convinced that when everything was said and done, the last ones to go up the chimney would be us- The SS men who had done all the dirty work (I figured the officers would get out of that particular fate, but there were far too many enlisted men there by early 44 and as they say, the best way to keep a secret between 3 people is to kill 2 of them) However, it was something I could never actually verify, which drove me crazy because I know I wasnt the only one to think it. However, about 6 months ago I was reading Perry Broads accounts of Auschwitz and he mentions in hie memoirs that many of the ss men DID feel that way. I have to say, that was a good verification.

On a completely different note, sometimes, at least for me, things DO come and 'kick you in the teeth' For example, a few weeks ago, I visited a battlefield with a couple of friends that I had never been to before (its actually a pretty obscure place- which is a shame) Anyway, I really didnt want to go there, but as we were walking the different areas, I suddenly came to the realisation that I had been there at some point and I could point out troop movements and how the fighting flowed (and as an aside, the fighting at this place was strange, it didnt follow a lot of the 'normal' rules of warfare of that time) but more importantly, I could say with certainty that a particular corps had been there. Or to be more precise, that the remanents of a particular army corps had been there as the corps itself had been pretty much demolished in an earlier battle. With that incident I was fairly certain that I was getting recollections and not fantasies (Ive been to a lot of battlefields and very rarely have that strong of a reaction to them) but I waited until i verified the facts before I fully examined things (Which I did, a few days later.). As an amusing aside, I have a bit of a... block with the name of the battlefield. Its not like im forgetting it, but its almost like I dont *want* to rember it. One more for aversion, I guess.

I think that in the end, a reincarnationists best friend should be history books and first hand accounts of events. Even if they are skewed by the viewer, they can be priceless in verification.

[rednight94]

Thanks for all the responses everyone!

[Leutnantzursee]

This is such an interesting thread. I sometimes wonder in our very materialist society, which has barely even shaken off the shackles of dualism, are we not conditioned to doubt such things as reincarnation? Perhaps that in itself acts as a block. Having said that, I'm as needy of proof as anyone and for ages after I did my own PL regression, I wondered if it was just my mind rearranging snippets of half-remembered things from the here and now. I do think regression is tricky for that reason, but dreams are something else and in a way ones instinct about something. The best proof of reincarnation I ever had came from an OOBE, my consciousness simply was not in my body and I gathered a lot of info about a life during WW1, I haven't been able to prove any of it, mainly because the surname is Polish and I have no idea how to spell it! But I was able to visit some of the places I saw, and yes they existed. I think its a long process into acceptance with this stuff, and maybe a lot of it, is us wanting to deny the pain and that's understandable.

[gwida]

Jul 9, 2011 5:44:07 GMT -5 Storm said:

This Nazi PL research, however, makes the 18th/19th C one look like a picnic! I am still struggling with it. I think probably I always will, which is why I am going to continue to seek tangible evidence. It's the only way I can deal with it.

Know it's a heck of a late reply, but my friend keeps telling me: "You think too much about your PLs... you can't over-analyse spiritual matters." Acceptance and learning to let go (not lose control completely, haha!) is something that is still very hard for me. But I found that the less I'd think about what had happened to me in my PLs, the more stuff that came in. Because from the feelings I get, in trying to bring in my analytical, analysing side into the matter, I end up blocking my Guides and Intuition (which is the worst thing one could ever do). So, for me, constantly seeking out info. in history books is like a dead-end at times. It IS a good tool to use -- provided you know what you are looking for -- but I find that it leaves me wanting to know even more! At times I stop and ask myself: "would I really want such detailed feedback from my future incarnation digging into this lifetime? Would it really matter for me in the end who I was?"

Nov 10, 2011 6:56:49 GMT -5 Leutnantzursee said:

I do think regression is tricky for that reason, but dreams are something else and in a way ones instinct about something. The best proof of reincarnation I ever had came from an OOBE, my consciousness simply was not in my body and I gathered a lot of info about a life during WW1, I haven't been able to prove any of it, mainly because the surname is Polish and I have no idea how to spell it! But I was able to visit some of the places I saw, and yes they existed. I think its a long process into acceptance with this stuff, and maybe a lot of it, is us wanting to deny the pain and that's understandable.

I could try and help with the Polish surname! ^^ But yes, I agree with you that different regression methods bring about different intensities in our recollections; heck I've never had a regression done, just a psychic reading, some tarot and rune readings and my own feelings to work off! (I seem to be a very touchy-feely soul, don't I?) I feel like some of the reasons I was so strongly blocked from my SS PL could have been because I felt "instinctively" that it would open up a can of worms from my other PLs, and especially about someone close to me at the time. It wasn't until I had left that person behind -- literally -- that I feel like my memories really started to get off the ground. Knowing what I know now would have been difficult to get by just a day at a time, so for me, it was more or less the connections between my SS PL and how the previous lives tied into that one.